Is The Republican Party Cracking Up?

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A new Rasmussen poll indicates that if a national Tea Party were to be formed that it may have more votes than the GOP. Mind you, no such party exists on a state level, much less nationally, but it's a movement that's gaining strength. Naturally, the majority of voters in this new party would be folks defecting from the Republicans, which would seriously hurt their chances to make any kind of dent in the Democratic majority come 2010, similar to what the Dixiecrats did to the Dems back in the 60s.

My question is this: Will it happen? Can these disorganized groups come together and actually run people for office? Or is this just talk?
 
But that's not the conservative base, that's the neocon base led by the Palinites that polarized the party and led a lot of people away from them in the last election.
 
The Other Guy said:
But that's not the conservative base, that's the neocon base led by the Palinites that polarized the party and led a lot of people away from them in the last election.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Wrong call there. From what I have seen it is a spectrum of people there ranging from isolationists, those who want to kick the UN out of the U.S.A., etc.
Those who want to pull out of foreign countries are balanced by others who oppose Islamic plans for world Hegemony. It is a very mixed bag of people supporting the fundamentals outlined upon the main page of the site. Did you bother to read that before responding?

Lonnie Courtney Clay
 
Ok well my question would be can the Republican party afford to lose its far right?

Two weak right wing parties are always going to struggle against a reasonably well organised center left party, in my opinion if the right ever wants to see power again the last thing they need to do is split their vote.
 
Monty - except for a few holdouts, most people at TPN agree that the proper strategy is to elect precinct captains who will nominate conservative candidates for office within the republican party structure. Only when there is NO choice will TPN run as a third party in a district. It has the potential to be a winning strategy...

Lonnie Courtney Clay
 
Personally I think it is far from a winning strategy as the general populace has already shown that it will not support a far right agenda in the Republican party, the only feasible position (certainly the strongest position) for the party is center-right, what I see happening is a lot of internal power struggles that will drive the moderate voters into supporting the Democrats and keeping the remains of the Republican party in the minority for years to come.
 
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Monty - it is debatable whether the people at TPN are far right. From what I see, and the position stated on the main page as given, they are closer to center than you imply, but to the right of the "big tent" republican candidate strategy. I think that they will adjust that position as more members are attracted to the online communities. It remains to be seen just what the position will be as of November 2010...

Lonnie Courtney Clay
 
Ok well lets replace "far right" with "fringe element" because anyone that thinks isolationism etc. can actually work in this day and age are not the mainstream and haven't been in the mainstream since about the 1930s, either way it isn't a winning formula.
 
You are right about that Monty. I was just giving an example. It ranges from isolationists to anti-Islamic crusaders, without agreement. Which is why those non-consensus topics are NOT part of the position and agenda for the party. The primary goal seems to be a return to government as specified in the Constitution. Preferably one which is much smaller than now. The biggest problem which everyone agrees upon is the fact that congress is no longer a (and for a long time has not been) answering to the desires of the majority of constituents. They see special interests and power groups controlling congress rather than the population at large. They make an accountable congress top priority...

Lonnie Courtney Clay
 
The Conservative Republicans of the Gingrich era have been gone for quite a while replaced/morphed into the (at best) Centrist Bush Big Govt Republicans. At the same time the leadership of the Democratic Party, Obama, Ried, Pelosi, Fienstien, Schumer are Far Left. They have controll because the Republicans moved so far Left that the Democrats ran Conservative to Moderates candidates to the Right of many incumbent Republicans in many areas & they got voted in, giving control to the Far Left. Isolationists aren't central to the TEA Partys types who want the Constitution to be governing instrument as intended Isolationist find a home in the Libertarian Party, as do TEA Party types. Libertarians are for as much freedom & as little Govt as possible.
 
The Gingrich and the Bush Republicans are what has been giving this party so much trouble, combined with the religious right; it cost them the gubernatorial election in Ohio because it split the conservatives between the new right's Ken Blackwell and a more Goldwater style Republican in Jim Petro. When Blackwell won the primary a large number either voted for Democrat Ted Strickland (who won) or just didn't vote at all, not so much for Strickland as against Blackwell.

THAT's the Right that worries me, the "new right" and religious-backed portion. And while Bush was big government in the sense of national security and property rights, when it came to the economy he was very lassieiz faire until the whole thing came crashing down on top of him in 2008.

Before the last presidential election there was a survey on here (might try to dig it up) about what presidential canidate you identified with the most, out of the top 8 canidates in each major party's primary. Of all of the Democratic canidates, the one I identified with the least was Barack Obama, because many of his policies were too moderate for my tastes; there were actually republicans I identified with more. So, to call Obama far left is absolutely rediculous.
 
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Of all of the Democratic canidates, the one I identified with the least was Barack Obama, because many of his policies were too moderate for my tastes; there were actually republicans I identified with more. So, to call Obama far left is absolutely rediculous.
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Don't look @ campaign rhetoric, look @ his paper thin record in the Ill & US Congress & his books. He made a bunch of middle of the road to slightly Conservative campaign comments, but his record is anti Capitalist Leftist. In his book...When I worked in the Private Sector I considered my self behind enemy lines...as an example.
 
i think the liberterian party could become a large party, im also a part of that party :wink:
 
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Don't look @ campaign rhetoric, look @ his paper thin record in the Ill & US Congress & his books. He made a bunch of middle of the road to slightly Conservative campaign comments, but his record is anti Capitalist Leftist. In his book...When I worked in the Private Sector I considered my self behind enemy lines...as an example.
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Well, it's not the corporations that run America, it's the government, so I can understand that statement... but the "anti Capitalist Leftist" part makes is confusing.
 
Guys, the Democratic Party is NOT far left.
It is leftist, but by no means far left.
They are not traitors to the United States.
They are not Communists.
Seriously, cut the crap.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Guys, the Democratic Party is NOT far left.
It is leftist, but by no means far left.
They are not traitors to the United States.
They are not Communists.
Seriously, cut the crap.
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Maybe, by..say... North Korean standards, on the otherhand, today JFK couldn't get the nomination & would probably get the same treatment Lieberman recently got.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
No, by world standards.
If you actually take Glenn Beck seriously, there is nothing left to discuss.
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Indeed.

From my outsiders POV the Democrats are not even leftist, they are dead center.

I think (I have just read by someone, don´t recall whether it was this forum or other, that Obama was "...a terrorist and terrorist supporter..." - though OTOH the person who wrote the comment was also feeling the obligation as US American to support the Prez no matter what, in order not to become a "traitor" to her country... Just the last half sentence deserves another thread in a democracy...) you Americans with your far left Fox "journalists" have to re-define the use of words, it seems the right, and especially the religious right (and whenever religion joins with politics it gives me the creeps, see Al Quaida or earlier the IRA) have been brainwashed by the neocons and their media into Orwellian Newspeak regarding the use of words like "Commies", Terrorists", "Far Left", "Socialism" etc. .

Sign of the times probably, as a Socialist here in Spain I get called "Fascist" by our Catalan and Mallorquin nationailsts when I suggest we all are Spanidards, same ridiculous take on words, as I said: Newspeak aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Rattler
 
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