Pro-Americanists exist.

That was kind of surprissing to know, although I did suspect it existed.

The liberals would like to paint the picture that the whole world hates the USA, and Bush for that matter, but its not really true. There is still a good chunk that likes the USA and also Bush.
 
The liberals would like to paint the picture that the whole world hates the USA, and Bush for that matter, but its not really true. There is still a good chunk that likes the USA and also Bush.

^^^over generalisation i think. personally i think there ARE alot of people that hate the US because it's the done thing at the moment.

i dont hate the US. i dislike bush and most of his policies. i disagree with the invasion of iraq, and i think the west will be paying the price for mr bush's policies for many years to come...


BUT i dont put those opinions on all americans.

my favourite quote on the US? Winston churchill once said "americans will always do the right thing, one they have exusted all the alternatives"
 
When I was back in Oz, I used to cringe everytime I would hear a radio interview of a visiting dignatory or entertainer. Usually one of the early questions by the interviewer would be "What do you think of Australia?" or conversely "What do you think of Australians?".

It always seemed to me we had this fixation with "being liked". However, occassionally someone would be scathing of government policy only to say how much they liked Australia.

I think it is the same with Americans. The people are nice but we don't always agree with their foreign policy. The power of the US just makes the reaction of other foreigners, good or bad, all the more noticeable.
 
chewie_nz said:
^^^over generalisation i think. personally i think there ARE alot of people that hate the US because it's the done thing at the moment.

That may be. But there are certainly alot of people who are definately anti-American no matter what the US does most all of these come from the left wing, tell me this is not true.

i dont hate the US. i dislike bush and most of his policies. i disagree with the invasion of iraq, and i think the west will be paying the price for mr bush's policies for many years to come...

I disagree with you here, I think he bought us time, whatever the negative aspects people may think up or say, openess and democracy is what the Muslim world needs. Without it the radical Islamic influence will engulf it completely which will lead to nothing less than an east vs west showdown.

The chance to give the Muslim world a sense of moderation, is worth the risk I think. Besides the people who will give us trouble are the same people bent on giving us trouble regardless of the situation. Democracy and openess threatens these same people because they see it as a decadent and that will also diminish their influence.

Regardless there is still a good chunk of the world that does support the US and Bush, even though they don't get as much publicity.
 
gladius said:
chewie_nz said:
^^^over generalisation i think. personally i think there ARE alot of people that hate the US because it's the done thing at the moment.

That may be. But there are certainly alot of people who are definately anti-American no matter what the US does most all of these come from the left wing, tell me this is not true.


oh i'm not going to debate that they're left wing (i consider myself to be left leaning). but you have to remember that it was the US that gave the world the hippie *shudder* :lol:

as for the rest, i have my opinion, and you have yours. time will tell
 
chewie_nz said:
but you have to remember that it was the US that gave the world the hippie *shudder* :lol:

Shudder to think, I'm not even going to argue with you here. I admit you are absolutely right. Oh my goodness, I feel so amshamed now. :lol:
 
gladius said:
That was kind of surprissing to know, although I did suspect it existed.

The liberals would like to paint the picture that the whole world hates the USA, and Bush for that matter, but its not really true. There is still a good chunk that likes the USA and also Bush.

I dont know how you come up with describing a lot of people as simple "liberals" in a contempt tone.

Classical Liberalism in policial science describes the policies of a government as totally middle. and conservative to the right, and socialism to the left.

could you explain to me a bit what do you mean by liberals?
people who hold perfectly neutral attitude towards a certain policy on the polical scale?
 
WARmachine88 said:
I dont know how you come up with describing a lot of people as simple "liberals" in a contempt tone.

Classical Liberalism in policial science describes the policies of a government as totally middle. and conservative to the right, and socialism to the left.

could you explain to me a bit what do you mean by liberals?
people who hold perfectly neutral attitude towards a certain policy on the polical scale?

Where your from it maybe different, in the US it means left, in some countries too.

Moderates is used to describe centrist is US politics.

Most people know liberals in the US don't hold pefectly nuetral attitude on the political policy scale.

So next time you see the word liberal on the board most all the time it will it equal left wing politics and or political leanings.

Given the definitions I just showed, and taking your past postings into account you are most likely a liberal.
 
This article first appeared in Foreign Policy magazine last month.

I somehow agree with most of it but it fails to put Iran among one of most pro-Americanist nations of the world, (in a survey ran by govt of Iran in 2000, at least 74% of Iranians were in favor of better relations with the US and the same percentage of people supported the war in Iraq in 2001)!
 
The Iranian people yearn for openess and freedom as everyone else. They instictvely realize support of the US will have a chance at getting them closer to this.

Unfortunately for them the left wing, anti-US mentality people would rather see them stay that way. I seriuosly think that alot of those same liberals would sooner see the Iraqi democracy fail because it will make Bush look bad all the more.
 
I alwas assumed it was the same in the rest of the world as it was in the US. The happy majority are not as voistrous as the unhappy minority. I think more people out there like the US than hate it, however that does not mean they are not a little worried when a country that has for 200 years waited till they were attacked to fight someone suddenly makes a dramatic reversal of past foreign policies.
 
gladius said:
WARmachine88 said:
I dont know how you come up with describing a lot of people as simple "liberals" in a contempt tone.

Classical Liberalism in policial science describes the policies of a government as totally middle. and conservative to the right, and socialism to the left.

could you explain to me a bit what do you mean by liberals?
people who hold perfectly neutral attitude towards a certain policy on the polical scale?

Where your from it maybe different, in the US it means left, in some countries too.

Moderates is used to describe centrist is US politics.

Most people know liberals in the US don't hold pefectly nuetral attitude on the political policy scale.

So next time you see the word liberal on the board most all the time it will it equal left wing politics and or political leanings.

Given the definitions I just showed, and taking your past postings into account you are most likely a liberal.

This might be going :eek:fftopic: here, but uhm yeah the definition is certainly different from country to country. In Italy, both "liberals" and "moderates" are the right, while in the US it is different. But since English is the language of the boards, and US English is of course the most spoken variant, I do my best to use the term liberal as a synonim of leftist. I will say "The Italian liberals" meaning our left, or "The Italian conservatives" meaning the right.
On top of that, I think it's gonna kill us if we use a full ethymologic scan of all the terms. Socialist, liberals, conservatives, progressives... In Italy we have a saying: "Talk like you eat", meaning just speak easy and don't look for too sophisticated terms, be spontaneous.
 
In US it just that no one hardly says "left" they just say "liberal". But since you put that way perhaps its better if we transfer from the term "liberal" to "left", or "left wing" instead, at least I'll try to. This might clear up future confusion for those from other countries.

...Now back to the topic.
 
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