Dear Jtf2 and AlexKall,

I think both of you need to read some history! The use of force by nation states, i.e. war, has settled more issues than all the philosophical discussions and nattering by diplomats in eternity. Not all of them used force to defend themsleves (obviously) or to preserve liberty (just look at the Nazis), but how can war in defense of the nation or to protect freedom be useless?

Originally Posted by Gunner13

Dear Jtf2 and AlexKall,

I think both of you need to read some history! The use of force by nation states, i.e. war, has settled more issues than all the philosophical discussions and nattering by diplomats in eternity. Not all of them used force to defend themsleves (obviously) or to preserve liberty (just look at the Nazis), but how can war in defense of the nation or to protect freedom be useless?

I see your point. But take the nazis for example, i class what they did as war, a war against jews and people who are differnet, if war are pointless and should never have happened, the world war two might not have happened, and mainly hitler might not have gotten the power if World war one never happened. I know its a bit far fetched but its philosofical thoughts from me I'm usually far fetched in my thoughts, sorry about that

The reason i see vietnam as pointless is because american troops left before they could finish what they set to accomplish.

From an evolutionary point of view, wars can serve the purpose of culling the slow and stupid out of a population, of increasing a populations access to natural resources, and of eliminating or crippling a competing population. Rarely will you see two economically, politically, and socially stable countries going to war with each other. Even the wars fought by the U.S. have usually served to increase or secure our access to key resources, such as oil, trade routes, agricultural areas, or what have you. Hell, the whole Vietnam war originated in the desire of the French to secure the profitable rubber plantations in that area.

Well said Jamoni!

About vietnam : The american troops left vietnam because it wasint conventianal war and they were loosing too many men and the american people were about to go chop the head of the president.

ALL WARS are pointless look you mentioned freedom...wow ok name me a war that was for freedom and it worked... IRAK is for "weapons of mass destruction" it was actualy for the oil. Does a human life have a price? because thats what were prooving right now.

Originally Posted by Jtf2

IRAK is for "weapons of mass destruction" it was actualy for the oil.

This is your opinion, not a fact.


There are countless wars that were fought and won for ideals much higher than greed, but just to name the obvious one, even though it has been mentioned (and ignored) before, WWII was fought to defend lives and homes and yes, LIBERTY.

i would say, whatever iraq is for, its not weapons of mass destruction
that that was just a usefull reason to calm down the rest of the world

They have more and are hiding them in homes schools hospitals because they know we wont check. We need to fight them

Who hides them?
Some iraqi soldiers who didnt reckognize that war is over?

I think they searched everywhere......
because they wanted to verify the reason why they started the war.....
The UN inspectors checked everything and the US checked it again...
if they were there they would have found em