Over the Top Training?




 
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November 23rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 

Topic: Over the Top Training?


http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/eu...eut/index.html

Well you know Germans like that sort of stuff
November 23rd, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I didn't know militaries made a habit of training for torture.
November 23rd, 2004  
MadeInChina
 
um... thats not as bad as in the russian military, where the second year recruits often torture the fresh recruits and use them as their tools

u can google the web for an article abou tthat in which i saw somwehre on a military forum, just cant find the time to locate it
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November 23rd, 2004  
Ed
 
Looks to me more like bastardization than a proper training plan.
November 23rd, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CRUNKER
um... thats not as bad as in the russian military, where the second year recruits often torture the fresh recruits and use them as their tools

u can google the web for an article abou tthat in which i saw somwehre on a military forum, just cant find the time to locate it
If it's not worth your time to provide a source for this, it's not worthwhile to post it here either.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Well you know Germans like that sort of stuff
13th, be careful what you post here, things like this can be very sensitive subjects and are not the best places for jokes, however harmless you may think they are, they can easily be offensive to others.
November 23rd, 2004  
LIPS
 
 
Lets be carefull here as they are only allegations at this point. No one has been convicted as yet.

The reason I say this is many years ago I was in a unit that was under investigation for abuse it was in all the papers and in the end no body was found to be in the wrong. So before we jump to conclusions let justice run its course. If it is proven, than they will be dealt with by their proper legal system.
December 1st, 2004  
catalinargonzalez
 
Breakdown and dysfunction of rule and order happens in every country at every level, it's human nature to have the potential to abuse power and make mistakes. I put this right up there with the beating and eventual killing of a homosexual US Army soldier a few years back, and let's not forget Abu Ghraib and what happened with Graner and England prior to the Abu Grahib scandal, so before we make judgements based on race, nationality, let's not forget that we have things like that happen on the homefront as well and they are isolated events for which we unfortunately get judged even though we may have nothing to do with them.
December 1st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
There are a few "facts" that seem to be missing. But it being CNN I'm not surprised.

1. What Type of Unit was this?

2. What kind of excercise / training was being conducted?

3. Were these Soliders trainees or assigned to a regular military unit?

If they were recruits or trainees then I have a problem with it. And would blame it on overzealous NCO's and a command breakdown.

If this was a Regular unit of Soliders in combat arms then to me it rings of SERE/ POW training. I have no problem with the military being trained to deal with that.
December 1st, 2004  
beardo
 
those crazy germans
December 1st, 2004  
Iraq n Baq
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
There are a few "facts" that seem to be missing. But it being CNN I'm not surprised.

1. What Type of Unit was this?

2. What kind of excercise / training was being conducted?

3. Were these Soliders trainees or assigned to a regular military unit?

If they were recruits or trainees then I have a problem with it. And would blame it on overzealous NCO's and a command breakdown.

If this was a Regular unit of Soliders in combat arms then to me it rings of SERE/ POW training. I have no problem with the military being trained to deal with that.
I agree - this sounds like some sort of SERE/POW survival training. If you can't subject soldiers to conditions similar to those encountered in combat to teach them how to survive and persevere in that environment - what's the point of going into battle anyway? Such training would be on the same level as a college student studying prior to an exam - soldiers need to 'study' themselves and the conditions in which they may someday find themselves in order to perform at their peak, and survive.

The bottom line is this is plain ludicrousy. What's next? An injunction on sending recruits through the CS gas chamber? Lawsuits over blisters and chaffing brought on by an extended tactical road march? Pvt Cowboy v GSgt Hartman for emotional pain and distress over the "golfball through a gardenhose" (etc) comments?

On the other hand, if these were truly fresh recruits, such training seems harsh and extreme by American standards, but it may be commonplace in foreign armed forces - I'm not familiar enough with foreign forces to comment on them.