Operation Phantom Fury, The Attack on Fallujah - Page 12




 
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November 17th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
This vedio did a bad work to the Iraqis.

Killing of wounded man in Fallujah mosque infuriates Iraqis

BAGHDAD, Nov. 17 (Xinhuanet,by Muhsen Hussein, Saalan Ahmed, Laith Salman) -- Most Iraqis were infuriated when they saw an American soldier killing an unarmed injured Iraqi in a mosque in Fallujah during the ongoing offensive on the city.In spite of the ruthless killing of the injured man, Iraqis appeared not surprised at the act, and many said "what is concealed is more important." .....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2231411.htm
November 18th, 2004  
DTop
 
 
It is my feeling that that Marine will not be brought up on any charges because he did nothing wrong. Anyone in his situation would have done the same thing in the unpredictable life and death atmosphere of a combat situation.
As to the "outrage" about this, it should be directed at those who chose to use the mosque as a fighting position. The voices should be ringing out from the minarets denouncing such action by the "insurgents" instead of encouraging it.
November 18th, 2004  
Kane
 
You see, don't you guys realize that the video was politically bad for the US's? This is not about the "Battlefield". This controversy is debated primarily in the political arena.

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He made a mistake? How do come to that conclusion? From 2 minutes and 30 seconds of video?
Yes he did made a mistake. The marine was quite jumpy and afraid therefore he mistakingly shot the unarmed Iraqis. The logic is quite simple. The marines thought there was a potential threat but it have been claimed that there were no potential threat. Well, that was obviously a mistake. Besides, you know that everybody is not perfect. But, that is still not the best excuse to avoid penalty.

And also, 2 minutes and 30 seconds video can do a lot of damage man. There is a nasty propaganda war going on and this tape is another powerful weapon of persuading the international public opinion. It looks like the US is losing this kind of Propaganda war.

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Glad to see college students are still capable of passing judgement.
Several College Students fought in combat in the past. And most importantly they felt an obligation to serve in the armed forces once they came out of high school. And please don't generalize.
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November 18th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by Secrecy
You see, don't you guys realize that the video was politically bad for the US's? This is not about the "Battlefield". This controversy is debated primarily in the political arena.

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He made a mistake? How do come to that conclusion? From 2 minutes and 30 seconds of video?
Yes he did made a mistake. The marine was quite jumpy and afraid therefore he mistakingly shot the unarmed Iraqis. The logic is quite simple. The marines thought there was a potential threat but it have been claimed that there were no potential threat. Well, that was obviously a mistake. Besides, you know that everybody is not perfect. But, that is still not the best excuse to avoid penalty.

And also, 2 minutes and 30 seconds video can do a lot of damage man. There is a nasty propaganda war going on and this tape is another powerful weapon of persuading the international public opinion. It looks like the US is losing this kind of Propaganda war.

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Glad to see college students are still capable of passing judgement.
Several College Students fought in combat in the past. And most importantly they felt an obligation to serve in the armed forces once they came out of high school. And please don't generalize.

I am going to say this with as much decorum as I can muster at this point
I am not concerned about the political ramifications in this incident. The potential ramifications would come for the most part from groups that support these "insurgents" in the first place.

My concern is for this Marine. He did his job. He followed his Training. He followed his Rules of Engagement he believed Hostile Intent was present.
For you to say that punishment is warranted because of a supposed "mistake" is tantamount to saying lets hammer him because he did the job he was sent to do.

From where you sit you cannot possibley fathom what it takes to make the decision that that young Marine had to make in the the time he had to make it.

Thank God that there are still young men out their who are willing to put themselves in harms way. So that you may question their conduct from safety.
November 18th, 2004  
Kane
 
This is my final assertion for this matter because it is becoming off topic in this thread.

This video is no big deal as a matter of fact. It's war, and I can't believe is discussed so often. This is merely a "controversy" and will be forgotten as time gone by. However, for the Iraqi people, I doubt they will forget this.

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From where you sit you cannot possibley fathom what it takes to make the decision that that young Marine had to make in the the time he had to make it.
Ok, your implying that if you think...you die.

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Thank God that there are still young men out their who are willing to put themselves in harms way. So that you may question their conduct from safety.
Putting a soldier's at risk is something not to thank for. I don't question their conduct, I only hope that stuff like this won't ever happen again.
November 18th, 2004  
Missileer
 
 
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Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
This vedio did a bad work to the Iraqis.

Killing of wounded man in Fallujah mosque infuriates Iraqis

BAGHDAD, Nov. 17 (Xinhuanet,by Muhsen Hussein, Saalan Ahmed, Laith Salman) -- Most Iraqis were infuriated when they saw an American soldier killing an unarmed injured Iraqi in a mosque in Fallujah during the ongoing offensive on the city.In spite of the ruthless killing of the injured man, Iraqis appeared not surprised at the act, and many said "what is concealed is more important." .....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2231411.htm
Frog, at least the Marine didn't saw his head off with a dull knife. Bad way to go, sort like being eaten alive feet first I would imagine.
November 18th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Xinhua... aka People's Propaganda Daily.
lol.
November 18th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
Topic reminder: News from Operation Phantom Fury

Thanks

The Marine discussion continues in here:
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...pic.php?t=6384
November 18th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by DTop
It is my feeling that that Marine will not be brought up on any charges because he did nothing wrong. Anyone in his situation would have done the same thing in the unpredictable life and death atmosphere of a combat situation.
As to the "outrage" about this, it should be directed at those who chose to use the mosque as a fighting position. The voices should be ringing out from the minarets denouncing such action by the "insurgents" instead of encouraging it.
No kidding, these insurgents keep trying to hide behind their religion for protection, they know that we will think carefully before attacking a Mosque, but now they also know that we will attack it when necessary, we will respect the Muslims, but we will not grant them immunity from their actions. We might not be in this position if Bush had not called Iraq a Crusade, which was a very poor choice of words, why don't we just walk in with a white cross painted on our helmets, on the side of tanks. I respect all religions, for the most part, but it is funny how much trouble that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are causing, they all worship the same god, all believe that Jesus existed, the Jews say he was an ordinary guy, the Muslims say he was a prophet, and the Christians believe that he is the son of god, all three believe in a form of Heaven, and all three regard Jerusalem as a holy city, yet there religions that have so much in common are the causes of so many of the world's conflicts, disputes, and general hatred.
November 18th, 2004  
egoz
 
i'd like to know who told Bush to even mention the word Crusade. i can guarantee it wasn't an intel officer or military advisor who came up with that. i'm going to have to bet that it was some hot shot PR person that thought it'd sound good on TV. but even if Bush didn't say Crusade, i'm sure we'd still have similar religious issues in the area. his vocabulary only seemed to reinforce what many of them might have been thinking.