Oliver Stone Praises Castro, Rips Bush - Page 4




 
--
Boots
 
September 29th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
And there you reach the crux of the matter. The general public as you have stated puts these idiots on a pedastel and buys whole heartedly whatever comes out of their yaps.

Until the American public educates themselves and tells them to..Just act, sing or play with your ball ans STFU ." We will continue to be assailed by their leftist gibberish.
September 30th, 2004  
Courtenay
 
It's beginning to sound like you and I share a brain 03USMC! LOL
September 30th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Could be
--
Boots
September 30th, 2004  
Delta210
 
I don't see much hope of that happening anytime soon. How many celebrities have been arrested for serious crimes and just gotten more popular while their fans flock to them in even greater numbers? We have created a new religion in this country where the faithful face Hollywood to bow and pray to their new gods.
September 30th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I noticed Drew Barrymore has turned activist, now she's going around crying (literally) because people need to vote, and she clearly hates the Bush admin.

When you support Michael Moore.... like she does, it's pretty obvious..
October 1st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Drew Barrymore a typical Hollywierd freak. You'd cry too if you'd been married to Tom Green JIMO :P
October 27th, 2004  
Aida
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Courtenay
As an ANTI-Castro Cuban American, let me tell you this stuff REALLY peeves me. How can someone from the outside KNOW or understand how hard it was for my family to leave an island they LOVED and all they knew to go to a new place. And that move was forced by Castro's take-over of Cuba. All that my family had, and had worked for for over a hundred years was taken in one fail swoop by Castro's new government. And we are supposed to LOVE Fidel? And support Fidel? And yes, we will continue to support candidates like Bush, who has a vision of America which does NOT include a socialist agenda!
When I read your post i was immediately disgusted. And let me tell YOU the stuff that REALLy peeves me - how can someone who is CUBAN-AMERICAN know anything about what it is like to be CUBAN?!? I was born there, spend my childhood and adolescence there, so it's safe to say that I have some authority over you when it comes to Cuba. As far as your family working for anything - I question that because many, too many of Cuba's elite did nothing but reap the benefits of the racist, sexist and classist system that was already in their favor. America turned Cuba into this megalomanical place prior to Castro, they had control of just about everything. Fulgencio Batista, the president of Cuba, was really just a puppet. Interestingly, he was a mulatto, of mixed Black and White descent and he was not allowed to go into various social clubs because of the color of his skin - that's the Cuba that your family is nostalgic for, but that's Cuba that was hurting the majority of the Cuban people, the campesinos, the artists, the guajiros, the azucareros, the people of color and women.

You anti-Castro Cubans make me sick in more ways than one because you're only motivated by self-interest. What about the interest of the general populus. Let's just be honest hear - most Cubans in Miami, most anti-Castro Cubans (or anti-Cuban as I call them) are white, upperclass people, and they are the MINORITY. WHAT ABOUT THE MAJORITY??? The only thing you ever cry about is what you once had in Cuba, but it never dawns on you that there are people who have been affected by Castro's regime change. Take my great grandmother for exampl,e born in 1898, a woman of Afro-descent, who couldnt read until Castro's adminstration implemented reading programs for everyone. And maybe I'm biased because as someone of humble beginnings and being someone of mixed race, I have a soft spot for the changes Castro has made - it could be. But at the same time I think he's been dead wrong on so many things; he shouldnt have executed those men plotting in Panama, he should free all of the media people, he was too harsh on Cuba's elite, but damn it the man is HUMAN!! He's like every other world leader, made of flesh and blood, so he's going to make mistakes.

People need to stop obsessing over Castro because he's not going to live forever. We need to be concerned about the Cuban people because they're the ones suffering. NO MORE EMBARGO!!! America has a lot to share with Cuba, Cuba has a lot to share with America so let's start uniting. I think positive changes will come from cultural exchange.
October 27th, 2004  
CavScout
 
Well Castro is old, he'll be gone soon....Come to think of it so is Oliver Stone. Unfortunately that leaves about another million celebrity freaks to take his place.
October 27th, 2004  
Courtenay
 
Aida-

It is apparent that you and I sit on very opposite sides of the fence on our opinion of Castro, his government and how it has affected Cuba, and the Cuban people. You also make alot of assumptions about me, where I was born and raised, you do not know who I am or what experiences I have had in life, so do not assume you can know where I am coming from or feel you have a right to belittle my opinions because they do not match up with your own.

IMO you are very simplistic in your thinking, and it does not surprise me. I cannot and will not ever stand in support of any form of government which takes away the free will of its people. If you are so short-sighted that you can only see that your grandmother learned to read. And cannot see the pain and suffering, torture, abuse and relative bondage that has come with the Castro regime then there really isn't much that I can say to you that would change your thoughts and feelings.

I cannot say that I am happy about the embargos and how they have affected the people of Cuba. I have been on three humanitarian trips to Cuba over the last 10 years and have seen first hand the effects. But the ball is in Castro's court. You cannot put the blame on the US. Place it squarely where it belongs.

I am also literally appalled at your playing the color game. Black, white, mulatto....that is ludacrist. You must have learned alot of negativity about yourself and your color from here in the US where people like to break people out across color lines to bring dissention, anger and distrust. (and I wouldn't be surprised to find that the case in Cuba as well) The Cuban people I know see all Cubans as Cubans, which no difference based on ethnic background. There is this vacuum that minorities in this country seem to enjoy getting sucked into. Depending on the government to provide and take care. Instead of let's do for ourselves. Let's work and be successful to give the next generation a better life than what we had. Don't think that those who are supportive of that type of government aren't feeding that idea by the spoonful to minorities. Because they are. If the idea of communism, socialism, big government with a big iron hand appeals to you, then great. Hopefully you are still living in Cuba where you can fully enjoy it.
October 27th, 2004  
Aida
 
Courtney,

You should not be appalled by my consideration of racial differences because that is part of the history of Cuba. If you would to read about it or need more information, please feel free to e-mail me and I would be more than happy to share with you. If you read in Spanish, I could provide you with some Cuban authors as well as English authors. I also see all Cubans as Cuban, but I also take notice of the changes that exile and seperation have caused. I do not racialize my relationships with people, as Marti one said "Cultivo una rosa blanca,En julio como en enero, Para el amigo sincero Que me da su mano franca" and I treat my enemies the same. And for you to dismiss my claims on race as ludacris, shows your naivete and your lack of knowledge regarding Cuban history and latin american history for that matter. I suggest you do a lot of research, because if you want to help Cuban people, these are things you are going to have to consider. It's funny, you hate Castro so much, but he has the same notion as you - that race does not exist - but of course to people "del otro lado", from the normitive perspective, it's hard to examine anything that does not pertain to you. But you are the one who decided to focus on race, because I also mentioned class and sex as major issues of Pre-Castro Cuba, and still issues of the Cuba we now know. What have you to say about those?

You stated that you were Cuban-American, that was NOT an assumption that I made, and in that statement you identified yourself as both American and Cuban, and it is thus safe for me to say that you were born here because had you been born in Cuba, you would have declared yourself as a Cuban, perhaps one with American influences as am I.

Step outside of normalcy, and live in the country, speak with the people, read some of it's authors and stop just inhaling your families grief-stricken existence because Castro "stole" everything away from them. Hopefully when you were there, you went beyond Havana, saw the beauty of Pinar del Rio, Marianoa and Camaguey. I understand your anger and the anger of many Cubans because you're right it was unfair, but truth be told, some people are seeing the fruits of it. How come you can only see the bad?

I don't have to belittle someone who's not on my level - and I don't mean to disrespect you but until you read and LIVE in Cuba, don't visit on "humanitarian trips" and then act like that's enough, there is very little you can teach me other than what your life has been like here in the states (which would be something of interest actually). I don't mean to be condescending just honest, as well I could never dare tell your parents or my parents about what Cuba was like because they probably spent some of the most memorable days of their lives there. I only know about Castro's Cuba, so I'm blinded only to what the generations before me and books tell me.

You inferred that I was shortsighted because you picked and choose what you wanted from my initial statement, not realizing that I was using my great grandmother as a symbol for something. And I state in my statement that I agree that Castro and his administration have been dead wrong on various occasion, theyve been merciless and cruel - I'm objective, and you must have ignored that. But I would infer that you are shortsighted because you cannot see beyond your family's pain, not even to see as far as how Castro's regime has had some positive influences, even on someone like me.

And as far as this vacuum - I am far from that. I attend an Ivy League institution based on merit, I'm on a scholarship, I work, I provide for myself, my family and anyone that i can help. I've never taken any hand outs (mostly because of Cuban pride, haha) and EVERYTHING I have I deserved because I started and came here with nothing. I believe though that everyone should have had the opportunities that I had, the opportunity to make choices in this life, and hopefully for the better. Sadly too many people, white, black, latino, asian, male, gay female, whatever category exists, have been lacking choices because of the social hierarchy that is inherest to this society and to capitalism for that matter. And I don't want to label myself as a democratist, a socialist a communist or any other political system - I'm a humanist, in fact I'm a post-modern humanist. So before you go making assumptions about me, know that.