PJ24

I have never heard of border patrol coming under fire from illegal immigrants, narco-trafferikers yes, but illegals? Most of them cannot even afford to buy guns. Besides, I though the national guard was only to be in a support role, not doing an actual patrol...

I am saying this without being sure, I very well could be wrong on this.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

PJ24

I have never heard of border patrol coming under fire from illegal immigrants, narco-trafferikers yes, but illegals? Most of them cannot even afford to buy guns. Besides, I though the national guard was only to be in a support role, not doing an actual patrol...

I am saying this without being sure, I very well could be wrong on this.

I didn't specifically say the regular border jumpers were armed (though, I have heard cases of some being armed, guns and knives). The main issue I was getting at though, is that there is a lot of gang activity (MS13) and drug traffiking along the border, and they're all well armed. This makes it dangerous. Anyone put on the border has to be armed or there's really no reason for them to be there as they're just being set up as fluff and possibly easy targets for the more dangerous elements that are running back and forth day in and day out. (how's that for a run-on sentence?)

Every border agent I know has a "horror" story to tell, it's a pretty dangerous job.

What's the point of the NG being there if they're supposed to stand back and watch while the BP does the regular routine of not being able to round up all that are coming through? The "Support role" is supporting the BP, part of that will require patrolling and taking an active role in border security.

When I was in El Paso in 1987-88 there were numerous attacks by Mexicans against Americans and American soldiers in particular. One soldier having recently graduated from Basic the cycle before us was sliced open on the bridge by a "non-descript Mexican" and his intestines spilled out. Another soldier on guard duty got molotoved by an illegal he challenged.

When we pulled guard duty during Basic there we weren't issued rifles but they did give us sections of pipe to walk around with while we held watch over the Stinger missile classrooms at 3 am.

These are not peaceful friendly refugees spilling across the border Ted and MMMMMMMarsh.

gee..sections of pipe vs molotov...how effective...

Henderson, during Basic training no one is issued ANY weapons.

Anyone doubting the extent of force that our beloved Border Jumping folks from accross our southern border ... anyone who doubts that many of them would kill their own mother to cross, has not know desperation as they do.

I'm still of the opinion that increasing guards along the border, or even putting up a 50 foot wall, is only a band-aid on the underlying problem. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution for it either.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Henderson, during Basic training no one is issued ANY weapons.

Oh, sorry, I misread the post...I thought that the guy that had recently graduated was on patrol and was only given the pipe..My bad

MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha)

These folks are envolved in drug running other gang related activity. They target Law Enforcement because of a Sombra Negra (Black Shadow). Which is a death squad made up of military and law enforcement officers in El Salvador. The Sombra Negra target MS13 and other criminals and kill them. They are unsanctioned, but the Government turns a blind eye to them.

Because of the Sombra Negra, MS13 members in Northern Mexico and the USA target law enforcement officers with extreme violence.

I applied to become a US Border Patrol Agent and I almost went to the CBP academy. The only reason why I did not was because a local department picked me up before I was to ship out to New Mexico for their academy.

I was informed that since I will become a CBP agent, I should understand somethings.

1. Never take the same route home because there are folks that will follow me and target me and my family.

2. When I get home, search it with my weapon drawn. Make sure that everything is safe. People will target me and my family.

3. Always carry and watch my back because I will be targeted by someone and attacked.

The US/Mexican Border is a war zone. It's just like the Korean DMZ during the 1960s. The crap doesn't hit the fan 24/7 but it does hit. And battles do occurr on the border between CBP Agents and armed bandits.

El Salvadors a helluva long way from the US/Mexico border though...Is it really that often? I would expect much more from any Mexican gangs...

I guess it isn't that far if the motivation is there. Money, drugs...