N.Korea Army - Page 3




 
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October 4th, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
http://www.specialoperations.com/For...a/Overview.htm

heres one Doc posted. Their society is so closed I dont think anyone knows for sure.
October 4th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
surely by having so many SOF many of them are going to lose out on a lot of the training and skills and specialist equipment, that smaller special forces would get.?
October 4th, 2004  
AsianAmerican
 
 
"Pyongyang's Special Operations Force consists of the world's best trained killers. They could be the wild card in any fight for Korea, suggest George Wehrfritz and Hideko Takayama."

Thats a quote from this article.... --> http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulle...256CAC007E8A05
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October 4th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
nice info.
October 5th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Yup it is without doubt that they are the biggest threat, assuming NK don't have nukes.
The thing is we generally know how they train, what they are capable of but we don't know exactly how many there really are.
As far as we know, all 100,000 could be excellent killers. Or 50,000 are the excellent killers and 50,000 are either not up to standard or are plain decoys. I have a feeling that not all 100,000 are the commandos we all know of though. I think there is going to be a LOT, but I think the sudden ballooning in numbers from around 50,000 to 100,000 suggests that there's a deception operation going on.
October 5th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Men I strongly suggest that you read one of the different Links that I send to help out in North Korea issue. As I told you guys in the first place I just looked over goggle and found out different Links regarding North Korea.


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as always this is the internet and I have not done any deep investigation on these pages more then reading the headlines and looked in to the different subjects on the webpages. But I will look in to it now!
This one is really interesting and gives a look in to a completly different perspective then any other Link this far has done. I find it really interesting so just read the big article and make up your own mind.

LINK:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3099.htm


Best Regards:

Doc.S

October 5th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I think it's very misleading in the manufacturing capacity. It's got the factories for it, but lacks the materials or fuel to run them.

The US plane probably didn't take evasive action because such recon missions are rather routine. Seeing the MiGs wouldn't be a problem, but the Americans didn't want to turn back just because MiGs were showing up. I guess it was a game of "chicken" of sorts.
Both sides know a war won't break out so easily. Remember that a US Navy recon ship was once taken along with its crew and still war did not break out. Skirmishes between South Korean and North Korean troops and Navy ships used to break out on a regular basis, yet war never broke out.

We all know North Korea will engage in total war. That is the assumption. The question is do they have the material, food and supplies to make them an effective fighting force? Or the training as a whole that is. Will power makes a difference, but you still need the basics.

North Koreans being combat ready is pretty much ignorable. South Korea is combat ready as well.

The American and Korean bases near the border being evacuated is common knowledge. There are tactics on countering this but I won't discuss them here.

And it's Blitz Krieg.
Plus that part of the report assumes that most if not all of the North Korean units will be moving. First of all, those SU-25s will never come very far into South Korea. Not only are their pilots poorly trained, but South Korea will have absolute air superiority along with the Americans. So they can forget about calling in air strikes.
Old tanks such as the T-55 etc. make the bulk of the North Korean armored force. The crews of these tanks again have little or next to nothing in terms of training. The question is, how many of these will actually run? How good of gunners will the North Koreans be? How much fuel do they have? The answer to the last is, not much at all. Remember the tanks don't run on nothing.
" In case of war, the skies over Korea will be filled with fighters in close dog-fights and the A-10s would be ineffective." Couldn't be further from the truth. First of all, the USAF uses the A-10, not the US Army. Great research guys. Dogfights don't happen at the altitudes that the A-10 operates in, which is largely just above tree top level. The skies will not be filled with dogfights and fighters... except perhaps in the first opening day of the war. After that the sky will belong to South Korea and America. Anyone who actually disputes this fact is in a fantasy land.

Tunnels are a real threat though. That is true. Whereas South Korea's airborne assault capability is working to South Korea's favor, the North Koreans have the tunnel option. Because South Korea has air superiority, once detected, these units will suffer heavy casualties since they are concentrated in one spot, cut off from all support. Still enough of them will probably survive to give South Korean and American troops a hard time.

Special Forces. Again the huge number. It seems a little weird that the numbers are suddenly so high. And in this case, counted at 120,000 instead of 100,000. So that raises a LOT of questions.

Biochem warfare.
North Koreans may be prepared for biochem warfare but South Korean troops are even better prepared and equpped to meet this. Not so much with civilians but if the North Koreans use the chemical weapons, the South Korean troops will still survive and probably won't leave much of anything North Korean alive by the time the war's over.

Killing the head of the snake probably won't work, but what they can do still is isolate the snake's head. That is destroy communications relays, jam signals and also issue false orders to the North Korean units.

Manually operated AA means, manually operated. These tend to have very limited ranges and accuracy. Electronic warfare of American and South Korean units are pretty good. Especially the Americans who turned SAM killing into an art in Vietnam. North Korea's AA equipment is pretty much Vietnam era stuff without much improvement. The radar sites are as good as toast. The AA guns won't stop long ranged attacks from missiles. This will make the job from the air harder, but not impossible.

The main problem with the article is that it completely ignores South Korea's troops which is considered by many experts as one of the top militaries in the world.
Not only that, this article depends on North Korea having enough fuel, training and food for the task. Also assumes all their equipment actually works.
The thing about Vietnamese having superior tactics is incorrect. Practically every time Americans met in actual combat with the North Vietnamese, the Americans won. The only time the North Vietnamese did well initially was during the Tet Offensive. And even there the North Vietnamese were defeated in those large series of battles.

So in short, the article is actually a Worst Case Scenario of North Korea vs South Korea and America. To pull it off, North Korea will have to muster resources it's not had in decades. Also a lot of inaccuracies here and there so not a very authoritative source. Some things I don't personally am not sure if I am reluctant to take at face value because it's been wrong on things I know pretty much for sure.

Good contribution but quite a rubbish article I'm afraid.

You don't really expect me to take people who can't even spell Blitz Krieg seriously do you?



By the way I just checked out http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Word to the editors: Ever think about two sides of the argument?
October 5th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
OK, let me post the "Report of S.Korea Defence Ministry" about the N.Korea invasion: it claims the N.Korea can crash Seoul in 16 days.

I don't have the English source, but it is translated from English to Chinese by Chinese Phoenix TV:

Automatic translation of this report:

(Phoenix TV) on October 5 the news reported according to the overseas media that, the South Korean Department of Defense respective "the national defense college" an analysis result showed, North Korea if to the military force attacks South Korea, and starts the war the speech, Seoul's defense line, could destroy within 16 days. South Korea "the North Korean Daily" on fourth the news pointed out that, according to Department of Defense respective "national defense college" (KIDA), started from last January to implement "the simulation analysis" thought after four month-long: If North Korea suddenly starts the war to South Korea, but in US territory large-scale military strength, when is unable and the customs of the times toward the Korean Peninsula (plan appears accident), then only has by the Han national troops alone faces the North Korean armed force, but the South Korean army alone prevents the enemy, because the air force battle efficiency will lack and not the precise attack ability makes the backing, will not be able effectively to contain North Korean the long-range cannon attack, its result Seoul's defense line will be able to collapse in 16 days. The national defense college has submitted this analysis result for South Korea the first big incumbent party "the big national party" congressman plain inspires, plain inspires when fourth Department of Defense, the integrated staff state policy censorship has publicized this material. "The big national party" congressman plain inspires said, if North Korea (MDL) neighbor the front position long-range gun launches the attack with the arrangement in "the military demarcation line", only must be possible to destroy capital Seoul with a hour 1/3. According to the report analysis, in more than 12,500 wild artillery which North Korea has, the destructive power and the firing distance more prominent more than 1,000 long-range gun all has completely aimed at Seoul, is deployed in the front. If these cannon simultaneous firings, average each hour will be able to have more than 25,000 round shells to fall in Seoul, will only need a hour Seoul 1/3 to be able to destroy. The South Korean Department of Defense indicated that, Plain inspires the content which congressman disclosed is take analyzes the Han national troops' weak link as the goal, after supposes the many kinds of operational condition, is conducting the research one possibility. And said that, "This belongs to the worst condition".
October 5th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
"This belongs to the worst condition".
1) quote from last sentence above
2)When was this report written?
October 5th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
It is published this week ( 2 days ago by South Korea Defence Ministry).