More liberal lunacy!!!
Marinerhodes
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Makes one want to start an anti-everything liberal movement eh? I am all for folks voicing their opinions but for pete's sake. . a memorial is just that. Perhaps the parents, instead of saying it is wrong, they should take their children by the statue and teach them about sacrifice and courage and all the intangibles that most of the youth of today seems to be lacking.
mmarsh
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What does this have to do with liberalism? Nothing is this story mentions liberalism or even politics in general. And FYI, Colorado is a conservative RED state, so blaming liberalism is just plain lame.
It sounds more like the town wanting to erase any reminder of the worst day of that town's history. You people might find this surprising, but not everybody is as fond to recall violent memories, regardless of its origin. This is especially true from those that have suffered from it. Obviously the town finds the statue painful, and there really isn't any reason it couldn't be moved elsewhere.
Do I agree with the towns opinion? No I don't. But that the town that has suffered enough. Its their decision, so I leave them to it.
If some people cannot figure out thats its extremely rude to make politics out of other peoples grief then they need to grow a heart.
It sounds more like the town wanting to erase any reminder of the worst day of that town's history. You people might find this surprising, but not everybody is as fond to recall violent memories, regardless of its origin. This is especially true from those that have suffered from it. Obviously the town finds the statue painful, and there really isn't any reason it couldn't be moved elsewhere.
Do I agree with the towns opinion? No I don't. But that the town that has suffered enough. Its their decision, so I leave them to it.
If some people cannot figure out thats its extremely rude to make politics out of other peoples grief then they need to grow a heart.
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Marinerhodes
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Reread the article. The reference to the schools and the Columbine shooting is a sideline. Unfortunately I can not open the Denver Post article. But I was about 3 miles or so away from Columbine when that happened.
major liability
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There have been statues of heroic warriors for ages, why stop building them now just because we use firearms instead of swords? Are the PC police that insane?
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mmarsh
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If you read the article (once your browser is working) it says that its brought by parents who think the statue is too close to 3 different schools. Littleton isn't San Fransisco, If Columbine hadn't happened, do you think their would be any fuss?
I seriously doubt it.
I don't think anyone is against the Statue per se, its the choice of its location is what at issue.
major liability
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I still don't get why they would be upset, mmarsh. It's not like it's a statue of the Columbine shooters. :m16shoot:
Donkey
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How about they show some gratitude to the man from their town that made the ultimate sacrifice and got over the columbine incident, dwelling on it still is not going to change the fact that it happened. And the best thing to do is to move on.
mmarsh
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People react to violence differently. But its especially traumatic when it involves the death of children.
Let me tell you a true story.
I was a software salesmen in NYC 10 years ago. I had this customer who had emigrated to the USA from Israel. When he was with the IDF he served as an Isreali Sniper. He once told me that the worst thing he ever experianced was watching a person face get blown apart through his rifle's scope. Thats all he would say about the IDF.
The thing was, that he made in a point to removal all violence from every aspect of his family's life. I ran the computer games section, and I had to ONLY recommend games for his family that had ZERO violence. When I say zero, I mean things like chess, car racing (crashes) violent sports (hockey, football) were off this guys list.
Obviously even the smallest reminders, no matter how remote, can trigger powerful memories. This is especially true to any parent that has lost a child.
Donkey
There are different ways to show gratitude for those that have died in uniform then have a memorial. And as I said, its not the statue but rather its location thats is their problem.
I don't completely understand it either, but then again, I am not from Littleton. If they don't want it than thats fine. Nobody should be made to have a statue in their township if they don't want one. Its a free country.
And blaming liberals for their decision is just plain stupid.
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The Other Guy
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It isn't anyone's fault. But the bottom line, to me, is, well...
It's a STATUE. It's a gun. People don't get furious when they see a religious statue or painting with nudity in it.
Okay, not the best example. But do you understand my point? It is a statue of a gun. And if you're going to go out and attack someone because you see it, you've been naturally selected to end soon anyway.
And how is this liberalist?
It's a STATUE. It's a gun. People don't get furious when they see a religious statue or painting with nudity in it.
Okay, not the best example. But do you understand my point? It is a statue of a gun. And if you're going to go out and attack someone because you see it, you've been naturally selected to end soon anyway.
And how is this liberalist?
bulldogg
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WRONG, its a red conservative state BUT Denver, Fort Collins, Boulder etc are very BLUE and bastions of liberal thought... like islands of insanity in a sea of intelligence.
ASTRALdragon
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It's a statue of a fallen hero grasping a weapon he was trained to defend his country with. Nothing more than that end of story. Location? It should stay there. Teach those damn kids some honor and respect. The parents shouldn't be worried about the gun-toting statue; more like the gun-toting actors on TV where they don't supervise their kids. Or the drugs being passed around school. Columbine was a tragedy, but these parents need to get over it and stop finding random scapegoats.
Marinerhodes
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I have read the Denver Post article finally.
If the statue and it's development was as public as it states then these poeple have no leg to stand on. Tell them to get more involved in their community so they can have a voice in things like this in the future. If the parents have such an issue with it they should be proactive. Take their children to the statue and teach them what it is there for and what it is commemorating.
I used to live in Northglenn and worked all over the Denver Metro area including Littleton, Arvada, Brighton, Westminster, Aurora, Denver proper, etc and even had some friends from Boulder (I worked for QWest, the local phone company) so I feel qualified to make the statement below:
Almost everyone I have met when I worked in Denver was self involved until someone else called their attention to a "Worthy Cause". Then it became "the worst thing since. . . " or "this is not right. . . " or "what kind of person would do . . . ". These same people would not otherwise give you the time of day to return and "howdy". Yet here they are moaning and complaining aout something that has not been kept a secret. Something that HAS to be public records because it is using public funds (if I am not mistaken).
MMarsh, they oppose the image AND the location. . . . odd isn't it?
Follow up articles reveal:
If she had felt so strongly why is she seemingly backing out now. No commitment. Meaning she wasn't as "all about it" as she thought she was.
Furthermore read some of the opinions of others . .
Denver Post Blog
Some things just don't jive here. You have several different issues here and no one is standing tall for any of it. Apparently they are Sheep. Make noise and get the attention of the Wolf and expect the Sheepdog to cover their arses.
EDIT: Well I did a little Paint schematic of how close the schools are and such just so people could see how everything was laid out. Can't copy it to this. . /sigh.
P.EDIT: I got it !!!!
If the statue and it's development was as public as it states then these poeple have no leg to stand on. Tell them to get more involved in their community so they can have a voice in things like this in the future. If the parents have such an issue with it they should be proactive. Take their children to the statue and teach them what it is there for and what it is commemorating.
I used to live in Northglenn and worked all over the Denver Metro area including Littleton, Arvada, Brighton, Westminster, Aurora, Denver proper, etc and even had some friends from Boulder (I worked for QWest, the local phone company) so I feel qualified to make the statement below:
Almost everyone I have met when I worked in Denver was self involved until someone else called their attention to a "Worthy Cause". Then it became "the worst thing since. . . " or "this is not right. . . " or "what kind of person would do . . . ". These same people would not otherwise give you the time of day to return and "howdy". Yet here they are moaning and complaining aout something that has not been kept a secret. Something that HAS to be public records because it is using public funds (if I am not mistaken).
MMarsh, they oppose the image AND the location. . . . odd isn't it?
Follow up articles reveal:
Denver Post Article
If she had felt so strongly why is she seemingly backing out now. No commitment. Meaning she wasn't as "all about it" as she thought she was.
Furthermore read some of the opinions of others . .
Denver Post Blog
Some things just don't jive here. You have several different issues here and no one is standing tall for any of it. Apparently they are Sheep. Make noise and get the attention of the Wolf and expect the Sheepdog to cover their arses.
EDIT: Well I did a little Paint schematic of how close the schools are and such just so people could see how everything was laid out. Can't copy it to this. . /sigh.
P.EDIT: I got it !!!!
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The Other Guy
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The Other Guy said:
If you decide to go attack someone because of what you see on a statue, you have issues and have been naturally selected to go.
Gator
U of B and B Alumnus
In an area of the Country and in the same State that did this...
... nothing is sacred, nothing is safe from being banned one day.... it does not surprise me that much.
Takes a little of the wonder out of my mind as to why the Children in such an area grow up defective and then on e day start shooting people in school.
... nothing is sacred, nothing is safe from being banned one day.... it does not surprise me that much.
Takes a little of the wonder out of my mind as to why the Children in such an area grow up defective and then on e day start shooting people in school.
The Other Guy
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Once again, how is that liberal?