Middle-east power - Page 4




 
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September 5th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Note, what I am talking about is just in "theory".

Of course I think China will not sell J10 to Iran (but who knows in future), since China has very good relationship with Israel, also in military cooperation aspects. J-10 was in the very beginning from Lavi, but Israel stopped it due to USA pressure, so China went on on her own, so I say J10 is now purely Chinese version.

If we talk about NOW, then I admint even if Iran is on border with Israel, Israel will win the war. But I am always looking a bit further into future, like in 10 years term. At that time, I think Iran is ready to take on Israel.

Again, above is about the senario that Iran is located on border with Israel and Israel does not have USA Support, therefore in reality it is simply a fantacy.

Conclusion:
No need to continue with fantacy discussion of mine, Israel has USA on the back, Iran is far away, Israel is and will be safe
September 5th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Well....Iran can attack Israel....All they need to do is go in to Iraq and Jordan....
September 5th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Iran's army has never fought an offensive operation In which logistics would present as much as a problem as would be expected In an israeli invasion. They would never get into Jorden.
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September 6th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Plus the Jordanian army is one of the finest fighting forces outside europe and n. america.
January 21st, 2006  
oRTouCH
 
 
In my opinion

Number 1 is Israel (Technology and Nuclear power)
Number 2 is Turkey(Military Training and Airforce Training)
Number 3 is Iran (Misille Power-For example Shahabs about 1300 km Range and their works on Nuclear Misilles)
January 21st, 2006  
oRTouCH
 
 
Israel
Population:6 336 thousand people. The military budget is 9 billion dollars (2001). The regular forces are 163 500 people. The reserve - 425 000 people, including land forces - 400 000, air force - 20 000, naval forces - 5 000. Militarized formations - 8 050 people, including frontier troops - 8 000. Recruitment for the army - draft. Hitch: service for a fixed period - 36 (men) and 21 (women) months. Mobilization resources - 1,5 million people, including 1,2 million able-bodied men.

Land forces: 120 000 people. 3 territorial commands, the frontier troops command, 3 corps headquarters, 3 armoured divisions, 3 infantry frontier divisions, 2 headquarters of divisions, 4 motorized infantry brigades, 3 artillery rocket battalions. The reserve: 8 armoured and lift-off divisions, 10 infantry brigades.
Arms: more than 30 tactical rockets, 3 930 tanks (1 280 Mercava, 900 M60A1/3, 800 Centurion, 250 M48A5, 200 T-55, 100 T-62, 400 Maga-7), about 5 500 infantry fighting vehicles and armored troop carriers, 400 armoured reconnaissance vehicles, 520 105, 122, 130 and 155 mm towed ordnance, 855 105, 155, 175 and 203 mm self-propelled guns, more than 198 MLRS, 6 470 mortars (5 000 - 60 mm, 700 - 81 mm, 530 - 120 mm, 240 - 160 mm), 1 325 antitank missile systems, over 1 300 antiaircraft guns, 1 250 portable surface-to-air missile systems, 48 surface-to-air missile systems Chaparrel.
Air force: 36 000 people (20 000 in service for a fixed period, basically in air defence), 444 war-planes (250 mothballed), 137 combat helicopters. Tactical units and elements: 13 fighter and bomber air squadrons and air defence fighter squadrons, 1 tactical wing, 28 SAM batteries. Planes and helicopters: 98 F-15 (A, B, C, D and I), 237 F-16 (A, B, C and D), 70 F-4E, 10 RF-4E, 20 Kfir-H7 (120 mothballed), 6 Kfir-PC-2, 50 A-4N (130 more are mothballed), 14 Boeng 707, 5 KC-130H, 12 C-47, 24 C-130H, 3 IAI-200,6 RC-12D, 15 Do-28, 6 King R - 2000, 31 A1-11, 24 Sisken, 20 Cessna U-206, 2 Islander, 12 Queen R - 80, 80 CM- 170, 30 Super Cab, 36 AH-1F, 30 Hughs 500MD, 41 AH-64A, HH-65A, 8 AS-565, 40 CH-53D, 10 UH-60, 15 S-7QA, 54 Bell 212, 39 Bell 206. Pilotless vehicles: Scout, Pioneer, Seger, Firebee, Samson, Deline, Hunter Silver Arrow. Surface-to-air guided missiles: Hawk, Patriot, Chaparrel.

Naval forces: about 6 500 people (including 300 commandos and 2 500 in service for a fixed period), 3 submarines Dolphin, 3 corvettes Saar - 5, 10 missile boats (8 Saar - 4.5 and 2 Saar - 4), 28 patrol vessels (13 Super Dvora, 15 Dabur).




Turkey




Population:
67 652 thousand people. The military budget - 5,1 billion dollars (2001). The regular forces are 515 100 people. The reserve - 378 700 people, including land forces - 258 700, air force - 65 000, naval forces - 55 000. Militarized formations - 152 200 people, including gendarmerie - 150 000, coastguard - 2 200. Recruitment for the army - draft. Hitch - 18 months. Mobilization resources - 18,2 million people, including 11 million able-bodied men.
Land forces: Land Forces Composition is, 4 field armies,10 army corps,2 mech. inf. divisions,2 mech. inf. divisions. HQs (TACTICAL),1 infantry divisions and 1 traninig,14 mechanized infantry brigades,14 armoured brigades,12 infantry/regional Sec. brigades,5 commando brigades,5 brigades
The Turkish Land Forces is organized into four field armies, logistics command and training and doctrine command
Arms: 4 205 tanks (including 397 Leopard-1), 650 infantry fighting vehicles, 3 643 armored troop carriers, 2 015 towed and 868 self-propelled field artillery guns, 84 MLRS, 2 021 mortars, 943 antitank missile systems, 1 664 antiaircraft guns, 897 portable surface-to-air missile systems (108 Stinger), 168 planes and 299 army-co-operation helicopters (37 attack helicopters), several pilotless vehicles.
Air force: 60 100 people (including 31 500 in service for a fixed period), 505 war-planes, combat helicopters are not available. Tactical units and elements: 11 fighter and bomber air squadrons, 7 air defence fighter squadrons, 2 reconnaissance air squadrons, 5 transport air squadrons, 3 training air squadrons, 6 SAM battalions. Planes and helicopters: 240 F-16 (C and D), 87 F-5B, 178 F-4 (E and F), 39 RF-4E, 13 C-130, 7 KC-135R, 19 C-160D, 2 Citation-7, 50 CN-235, 38 SF-260D, 34 T-33, 60 T-37, 70 T-38, 28 T-41, 20 HH-1H, 20 A3-532, 92 missile systems Nike-Hercules, 86 Rapier.
Naval forces: 53 000 people (including 34500 in service for a fixed period). Navy: 13 submarines (6 pr. 209/1200,4 pr. 209/1400, Gappi-2A/3, 2 Teng), 27 frigates with guided missiles (6 Oliver H. Perri, 7 Nox, 4 МЕКО 200, 4 modifications of МЕКО 200, 6 Barak), 1 frigate Pake, 21 missile boats (3 Kylych, 2 Yoldyz, 8 Dogan, 8 Kartal), 19 patrol vessels (3 Sultan Hisar, 3 Trabzon, 9 Turk, 4 PGM 71), 4 minelayers, 24 minesweepers (5 Chirke, 9 Adjutant, 6 Vegezak, 4 Cape), 7 tank landing ships (2 Terrebon Parish, 2 LST-512, 1 Osmangazi, 2 Saruchabei), 29 small storm-boats, more than 20 storm-boats, 1 reconnaissance ship, 2 training vessels, 2 hydrographic vessels.

Egypt

Population:
70 615 thousand people. The military budget is 2,1 billion dollars (2001). The regular forces are 443 000 people. The reserve makes 254 000 people, including land forces - 150 000, Air Forces - 20 000, naval forces - 14 000, Air defence - 70 000. Militarized formations - 325 000 people, including the central security forces - 250 000, National Guard - 60 000, frontier troops - 15 000, Coastguard - 2 000. Recruitment - draft. Hitch - from 18 to 36 months. Mobilization resources - 19,8 million people, including 14,1 million able-bodied men.
Land forces: 320 000 people, 4 military districts. 2 army headquarters, 4 tank and 8 mechanized divisions, 37 detached brigades (an armoured one of the republican guard, 1 lift-off, 1 airborne, 2 rocket, 4 armoured, 4 mechanized, 2 infantry, 15 artillery, lift-off), 2 commandos groups.
Arms: 9 operative tactical rockets, 12 tactical rockets, 3 860 tanks (including 555 M1A1 Abrams), 795 infantry fighting vehicles (including 310 YPR-765), 412 armoured reconnaissance vehicles, 4 308 armored troop carriers, 970 towed guns, 251 122 and 155 mm self-propelled guns (including 175 M109A2), 156 missile systems, 2 400 mortars, 2 350 antitank missile system (1 400 Malyutka, 220 Milan, 200 Swingfire, 530 Toy), 934 antiaircraft emplacements, 671 portable surface-to-air missile systems.
Air force: 30 000 people, 585 war-planes, 125 combat helicopters. Tactical elements: 7 fighter and bomber air squadrons, 21 air defence fighter squadrons, 2 reconnaissance air squadron, 4 helicopter squadrons, 1 training air squadron. Planes and helicopters: 42 Alpha Jet, 44 PRCJ-6, 29 F-4E, 78 Mirage-5 of modifications D, E, E2, SDR and SDD, 21 Mirage-2000 (C and D), 153 F-16 (A, B, C and D), 88 MiG-21, 53 PRC J-7, 54 EMB-312, 40 L-29, 48 L-39, 30 L-59, 19 C-130H, 5 E-2C, 74 SA-342 (K and L), 5 Sea King, 6 Bich-1900, 9 DHC-5D, Super King R, 4 Gulf Stream-3 and 4, 3 Falcon-20, 36 AH-64A, 29 Commando, 14 CH-47H, 40 Mi-8, 12 Mi-4, 17 UH-12E. Pilotless vehicles: 29 SCARAB. Air defence: 75000 people, 4 divisions: 40 SA-2, 53 SA-3, 14 SA-6. 12 SAM batteries Advanced Hawk, 12 SAM batteries Chaparrel, 14 SAM batteries Crotal.
Naval forces: 19000 (including 12000 in service for a fixed period), 4 submarines of pr.033, 1 destroyer of the Z type, 10 frigates with guided missiles (4 Oliver H. Perry, 2 Nox, 2 Desquberta, 2 Tszyanhu), 19 missile boats (4 pr.205, 6 Ramadan, 5 October, 4 Hegu), 18 patrol vessels (6 Shershen, 4 Shanghai-2, 8 Hainan), 3 small storm-boats pr.770, 9 storm-boats pr.106, 13 minesweepers (4 pr.254, 6 pr.266, 3 Swift-ship), 22 support vessels (8 tankers, 2 torpedo-boats, 1 presidential yacht, 6 towboats). Naval aircraft: 10 helicopters SH-2G (E). Coastguard: 2 000 people, 75 patrol boats.

Or choose who is the best according to these information.
January 21st, 2006  
oRTouCH
 
 
Sorry I forgot to add Iran

Iran
Population: 68 281 thousand person. The military budget is 9,1 billion dollars (2001). The regular forces are 513 000 people. The reserve (land forces) - 350 000 people. Militarized formations "Basig" (National guard) - 300 000 people. Recruitment for the army - draft. Hitch - 21 months. Mobilization resources - 17,1 million people, including 10,2 million able-bodied men.

Land armies: 325 000 people, 4 corps headquarters, 12 divisions (6 infantry, 4 armoured, special forces, commandos), several brigades (including 1 air, landing, tank, infantry, commandos), 5 artillery groups.

The corps "Islamic revolution guard": 12 5000 people, 17-20 divisions (including 10 infantry, 2 armoured, special forces and 5 mechanized), 15-20 detached brigades (4 artillery, 1 rocket, 1 SAM, 1 airborne, special forces, intercommunication, sappers, chemical defence, 1 1 infantry, 1 armoured, frontier and ideological units).

Arms of land forces and 'Islamic revolution guard': 17 operative tactical rockets, 40 tactical rockets, 1 565 tanks (157 M47/M48, 150 M60A1, 200 Chiften, 500 T-55 and T-59, 75 T-62, 480 T-72, 10 Zulfikar), 350 BMP-1, 400 BMP-2, 590 armored troop carriers (of them 250 M113), 35 armoured reconnaissance vehicles, 2 085 towed guns (calibres 105,122, 130, 152, 155 and 203,2 mm), 310 self-propelled guns (122, 155, 170, 175 and 203,2 mm). 890 MLRS, 5 000 mortars, 70 antitank missile systems, 1 700 antiaircraft emplacements, 580 helicopters (of them 85 combat AH-1J) and 77 planes.

Air force: 45000 people (including 15 000 in air defence), 307 war-planes, combat helicopters are not available. Tactical elements: 9 fighter and bomber air squadrons, 7 fighter air squadrons, 1 reconnaissance air squadron, 6 transport squadrons, 17 SAM battalions. Planes and helicopters: 60 F-4 (D and E), 60 F-5 (Е and F), 30 Su-24, 60 F-14, 32 F-7, 35 MiG-29, 8 RF-4E, 5 P-3F, RC-130, 15 Boeing - 707, Boeing 737, 9 Boeing 747F, 23 C-130 (Е, H, МР), 15 F-27, 4 Falcon-20, 10 PC-6B, 26 BICH-E-33A, 10 EMB-312, 45 PC-7, 7 T-33, 20 F-5B, 8 TV - 21, 4 TB-200, 2 AB-206A, 39 Bell 214H, 5 CH-47, 150 Hawk, 30 Rapier, 15 Tigercat, 45 HO-2J.

Naval forces: 43 000 people (including 25 000 in naval forces of "Islamic revolution guard"). Navy: 3 submarines pr.877 EKM, 3 small submarines, 3 frigates with guided missiles Alvand, 2 corvettes Bayandor, 20 missile boats (10 Combatant-3, 10 Hudong), more than 40 patrol boats, 13 storm-boats (including 6 tank landing ships), 6 air cushion boats, 3 minesweepers, 38 support vessels (including 3 tankers, 7 transports). Naval aircraft: about 2 000 people, planes - 9 (5 Do-228, 4 F-27), helicopters - 33 (10 AB-212, 14 ASH-3D, 9 RH-53D).

Marines: more than 2 600 people, 3 brigades. Rocket troops: 4 brigades.
January 21st, 2006  
TBA_PAKI
 
SHERMAN!

Technology is not everything in the war!

Of-course, Israeli military is best in Middle East but it has not faced any formidable enemy yet!

Iran is also under-estimated!

It is a very big nation with large population.

IRAQ was better equipped then Iran but still the people of Iran managed to beat its forces down in the 8 years war!

Also IRAN military is better equipped and more experienced then before. 8 years of war has hardened their population very well. Plus the Ballistic Missiles of IRAN are much better then SCUD missiles. And Iranian military is manufacturing Shahab III's in large numbers!

Israel has big dis-advantage of small territory. And it is good for that nation that they don't share border with IRAN.

In an all out war, Israel will get gains in start but will eventually crumble by tough resistance of Iranians in a longer run and Israeli military will be pushed back to defensive positions. Also, the threat of Iranian Missiles is very big then compared to that of IRAQ in 1991.

You that what happened in Lebanon was not so good!

A well trained Hezbollah fought very well against Israeli military and they had to give up probably due to less funds.

And Lebanon is nothing compared to IRAN!

My suggestion is:

1) Israel (due to best military and Nuclear Weapons)
2) Iran (but can defeat any nation of Middle East)
3) Turkey
4) Egypt | Saudi Arabia
January 22nd, 2006  
oRTouCH
 
 
How can you put Iran in second place? I think Turkey must be in second place. Because Iranian Army is nothin next to Turkish army without its long ranged misilles..
January 22nd, 2006  
sandy
 
Quote:
How can you put Iran in second place? I think Turkey must be in second place. Because Iranian Army is nothin next to Turkish army without its long ranged misilles..
Yes,I think so too.
Iranian latest MBT is Zurufiqar tank.

But in my opinion,this waight of this tank is too light,officially just 40ton.
Does Iran have hitechnology to create good Armour as M1A2 or Leo2?
Compared Iran,Turkish Tanks are well maintainnanced and Soldiers are well trained.

But,Iranian Nuke is JOKER.
It destroy balance of middle east.