the Middle East Conflict: Which side is the agressor? - Page 3




 
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September 27th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
There is one main problem I have with your arguments xman. You have not condemned the Palestinians for what they have done. You are following the footsteps of the UN and the Arab League of Nations.

Do I disagree with some of the things that Israel has done? You bet I do. I think the security wall is a very bad idea, Israel needs to halt all settlements in the West Bank and Gaza strip as directed in the road map for peace, and I do not paticularly agree with the bulldozing of Palestinian homes.

On the other side, the Palestinians are far from honorable. In a war, you fight the government and its army, not the citizens. Those bus bombings that the Palestinian militant groups love ever so much are quite illegal according to the laws of war. Israel has every right to be pi$$ed off because of those bombings. I remember that there were 2 times in the last few years when Israel started to pull out of the West Bank. The government said as long as there are no attacks, the pull outs would continue. Then a few men with TNT strapped to their bodies blow themselves up at a cafe, market or in a bus. Then Israel sends all her troops back in. May I ask who is at fault?

You represent one reason why there is no peace in Israel, Ignorance to all the facts. Both sides have done some pretty bad things. If each side would admit its own problems, then there might be some gains made. Instead, you just keep pointing the finger at the Zionists, Jews, and the Jewish Press that control the world.

The Palestinians want their own country and the Israel wants to live without terrorism. I GUARANTEE you that if both sides agree to a 6 month ceasefire and NO Palestinian goes and blows him or her self up durring that time, good things will happen.

BTW, stop telling us that we get our news from the Jewish Press. First off, this is quite offensive. Secondly, I read news from all over. I have realized that I must read the news from both sides. Each side tends to spin the news in their favor. Then I decide what to believe. I do not think that Aljazeera falls under your Jewish Press.
September 27th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Doody wrote:
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Do I disagree with some of the things that Israel has done? You bet I do.
So do I. I dont agree with every action taken by every Israeli gov on this matter.

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I think the security wall is a very bad idea, Israel needs to halt all settlements in the West Bank and Gaza strip as directed in the road map for peace, and I do not paticularly agree with the bulldozing of Palestinian homes.
Why do you think the wall is a bad idea? It stopped terror insertions from every area it was built in....I agree that we must cease the building in the settelments. This is not so simple to do...But we MUST do it. Not because of the "roadmap", but because it is a pointless provocation. As to the bulldozing...In some situations, when Palestinian militia operates from civilian buildings, it is tactically impossible not to remove them. I do how ever disagree with doing it when unnessesary.
September 28th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
I am not trying to flame but this question is comparable to "Is the cup half empty or half full?"

This topic can not be understood by westerners, to us it keeps quite simple, just stop fighting, but it is so much more than that, we are just unable to understand the conflict. I would say the Arabs are the aggressors but that is just going back to 1948, to really understand it you have to go back to 2000 BC, maybe further.
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September 28th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
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Is the cup half empty or half full
No its not. There are objective facts here, if one chooses to search.

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to really understand it you have to go back to 2000 BC, maybe further.
Not really...The conflict is but 100-130 years old. There were no Muslims 2000 years ago....And there were no arabs in Israel/Palestine than either....
September 28th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Why do you think the wall is a bad idea? It stopped terror insertions from every area it was built in....I agree that we must cease the building in the settelments. This is not so simple to do...But we MUST do it. Not because of the "roadmap", but because it is a pointless provocation. As to the bulldozing...In some situations, when Palestinian militia operates from civilian buildings, it is tactically impossible not to remove them. I do how ever disagree with doing it when unnessesary.
The wall is a good idea but there are problems with it. The wall runs right through the middle of a couple cities. I watched with amusement as a reporter for discovery times climbed over a section to go interview a Palestinian leader. The wall could have been placed in such a way that the cities are not split in 2. Also the wall reaches quite deep into some parts of the west bank. I thought it was a barrier between Israel and the West Bank.
September 28th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Well, itsnot perfect, but its a good barrier.
September 28th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
The Palestinian/Israeli conflict goes back to the days of the Old Testament. That is over 3,000 years old. This has become more that just a qustion of right or wrong, aggressor or defender, it has been going on for millenia, like I said before, Westerners are unable to comprehend the situation.
September 28th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
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The Palestinian/Israeli conflict goes back to the days of the Old Testament. That is over 3,000 years old. This has become more that just a qustion of right or wrong, aggressor or defender, it has been going on for millenia, like I said before, Westerners are unable to comprehend the situation.
What are you talking about? There were no palestinians 3000 years ago...There were no Muslims 3000 years ago... I am not a "westerner"(at least by your measure), Im an Israeli...
September 28th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
But the public view in the world is that Israel is the aggressor.

It is also not for nothing the the anti-Jews sentiment is growing fast in Europe again.
September 28th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
But the question is, do you share that view?