mayor of london comments




 
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July 29th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 

Topic: mayor of london comments


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...ondon.attacks/

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Prime Minister Tony Blair has rejected comments by London's mayor that Western "double standards" in the Middle East contributed to the growth of Islamic extremism and terrorist groups such as al Qaeda.

A spokesman for Blair, who announced Wednesday his desire for a global conference on Islamic extremism in the wake of the London bombings, said the PM and Ken Livingstone had "different views of the world."

Livingstone had told BBC radio that Western intervention in the Middle East since the end of World War I had been motivated by a desire to control the flow of oil.

While condemning suicide bombings, Livingstone indicated he recognized the conditions that had led Palestinians to take that route in Israel.

"Under foreign occupation and denied a right to vote, denied the right to run your own affairs ... I suspect that if it had happened here in England we would have produced a lot of suicide bombers ourselves," said Livingstone.

"But I don't just denounce suicide bombers. I denounce those governments which use indiscriminate slaughter to advance their foreign policy."

While dismissing Livingstone's comments, a Downing Street spokesman the UK's Press Association: "We recognize that Ken Livingstone has provided, as an elected official in London, a lead to the people of London at this tragic time -- at the same time as he expresses views which we fundamentally disagree with."

Blair said Wednesday he was considering calling a global conference to discuss ways of tackling Islamic extremism following the July 7 bombings on London's transit system that killed 52 people and injured hundreds more. The four bombers were also killed in the attacks.

"We are looking at the possibility of holding a conference which would bring together some of the main countries who are closely involved in these issues," he said.

Blair said his conference on Islamic fundamentalism would focus on rooting out extremist teaching in religious schools, known as madrassas, and said concerted action was needed across the world.

After meeting Muslim leaders Tuesday, Blair described extremism as an "evil ideology" that needed to be confronted "by the force of reason." (Full Story)

Blair also praised the work of British intelligence and security officials following a report in the New York Times which claimed the UK's terror alert was lowered prior to the London bombings because no imminent threat was anticipated. (Full Story)

"Though it is terrible that these terrorist attacks took place ... over the past few years our security services and our police have done an immense amount to protect this country also," Blair said.

He said he was satisfied they had done "everything possible" to reduce the terror risk and said the government was moving in the "right direction" to combat the threat of further attacks with new anti-terror legislation.

In a briefing before Parliament on Wednesday, Home Secretary Charles Clarke outlined three new criminal offenses at the heart of the government's proposals.

One provision would make the indirect incitement of terrorism an offense, a measure intended to silence radical clerics who have praised terrorist attacks.

Another proposed offense would be acts considered preparatory to terrorism. That would enable security authorities to intervene at an earlier stage to protect the public.

A third would apply a broader definition applied to the giving and receiving of terrorist training.

Clarke said the government also intended to establish a database of extremists around the world who had demonstrated "unacceptable behavior," such as preaching intended to provoke terrorism and running extremist Web sites.

Anyone on the list would face possible exclusion from the UK, or could be refused entry to the country.

Powers already exist for the home secretary to exclude individuals on grounds of national security or public order, but Clarke said they had to be applied "more widely and systematically both to people before they come to the UK and when they are here."

"In the circumstances we now face, I have decided it is right to broaden the use of these powers to deal with those who foment terrorism or seek to provoke others to terrorist acts," he said.

"There is unity of purpose. The Government wants to work with other parties to make sure we have the most effective anti-terrorism legislation on our statute book. Similarly we want to work with the Muslim community to isolate and weaken dangerous extremists."

CNN's European Political Editor Robin Oakley said lawmakers would consider the legislation on their return from summer recess in October and could pass the measures by December.

British Muslim leaders said Wednesday they had called for an independent judicial inquiry into what motivated the London bombings during their talks with Blair at Downing Street.

"The scale of disenchantment amongst Muslim youth is very clear to see," Inayat Bungalwala of the Muslim Council of Britain told the Associated Press.

"Various factors are at play: underachievement in education; a high rate of unemployment; discrimination in the workplace; social exclusion, and also the government's own policies, especially in Iraq.

"The process of how we get four homegrown suicide bombers must be understood and that is why we are calling for an inquiry."

The Home Office said Clarke would decide whether to open an inquiry in September, AP reported.

Also Wednesday, a Pakistani official said British investigators had asked Pakistan to pick up a number of men for questioning in connection with the bombings. (Full story)

Meanwhile, the final list of the 52 victims of the July 7 attack was released Wednesday. It shows citizens from at least 10 countries were among commuters killed in the London bombings.

In addition to British citizens, the victims included three Polish women, an Afghani, an American, an Australian, an Iranian, an Israeli, a Nigerian, a New Zealander, and a Turk.

The Metropolitan Police force, which is leading the investigation, does not expect the list to grow further.
July 29th, 2005  
gladius
 
Hoorah Tony Blair!

What the Mayor of London said a prime example of extreme left wing idiot thinking totaly divorce from reality.

This more of the we-are-the-ones-to-blame-for-them-bombing-us, crap.

Quote:
While condemning suicide bombings, Livingstone indicated he recognized the conditions that had led Palestinians to take that route in Israel.

"Under foreign occupation and denied a right to vote, denied the right to run your own affairs ... I suspect that if it had happened here in England we would have produced a lot of suicide bombers ourselves," said Livingstone.

"But I don't just denounce suicide bombers. I denounce those governments which use indiscriminate slaughter to advance their foreign policy."
If it were really true that the Western Governments oppression are the main cause of the Islamic suicide bombers...

The how come other countries whom the West has intervened in (probably most of the third world), how come the people from those countries who are NOT Muslim, how come they don't send thier suicide bombers too?

Can anybody answer me this question?


If that were really true...


Also aren't there people of other religions in the Arabs countries such as Christians, how come they don't send suicide bombers in proportion to the Muslims, after all they live there too?

Can anybody answer this one?

Gee I wonder....

Maybe we might just find that its not really fault....

Maybe if you really study what these Jihadist are all about maybe you will find their whole agenda is about eventual Global Domination, regardless who is the enemy whether it be the West or someone else... (Like maybe India, the Phillipines, when did they intervene in the Middle East?).

Maybe if you study what they are all about, what their ultimate goals are, then maybe you will find out, maybe its not really our fault. If you open your eyes you may actually see this. Or then again you can close your eyes like Mayor RedKen and believe in something purely of your own making. The problem is you might awaken to a nightmare of your own creation.
July 29th, 2005  
AikiRooster
 
 
The Mayor is probably from France. They hate us over there and on a good day they might pretend not to.
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July 29th, 2005  
Young Winston
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Rooster
The Mayor is probably from France. They hate us over there and on a good day they might pretend not to.
"Hate" is a pretty strong word.

Sorry, can't answer your questions Gladius. Not sure what goes on inside a suicide bombers head. They all have various reasons (self justified) for doing what they do. It's a very sad state of affairs. It is very hard to control extreme religious propaganda.
July 29th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
Livingstone is a jerk. Is this bashing?
July 29th, 2005  
KC72
 
 
He`s not called "Red Ken" for nothing.
July 29th, 2005  
gladius
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Winston
Sorry, can't answer your questions Gladius. Not sure what goes on inside a suicide bombers head. They all have various reasons (self justified) for doing what they do. It's a very sad state of affairs. It is very hard to control extreme religious propaganda.
The point is--- It has very little or nothing to do with what we do.

They do it to us, regardless of what we do.

If not us, they will find an excuse to do it to someone else.

People need to realize this instead of trying to find excuses to blame ourselves.


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The problem that people have in trying to find out why these Islamic terrorist attack us is trying to find out things solely by thier own reasoning (like RedKen).

They make up something in their head, like Western oppression, racism, poverty (UBL btw is a multi millionaire), ect. They think if they can solve this it will go away ---it wont.

If they had actually did some real studying, they might the truth is not what they believe.

The primary conviction of these Muslim extremist is this;

That every human being must submit themselves to Sharia Law. This must take precident above all law. If they do not submit them they are infidels, the killing of an infidel will be rewarded by Allah.
Their goal is to establish a Great Caliphate (Muslim empire), as a base to eventually force the world into total subjugation under under Sharia Law. Which they believe will happen according to their prophecies.

This is the reality we must face, and this is where we must address this from, until we can find a solution to this, then it will never go away.
July 29th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Winston
Sorry, can't answer your questions Gladius. Not sure what goes on inside a suicide bombers head. They all have various reasons (self justified) for doing what they do. It's a very sad state of affairs. It is very hard to control extreme religious propaganda.
The point is--- It has very little or nothing to do with what we do.

They do it to us, regardless of what we do.

If not us, they will find an excuse to do it to someone else.

People need to realize this instead of trying to find excuses to blame ourselves.

I agree 100% with that.

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The problem that people have in trying to find out why these Islamic terrorist attack us is trying to find out things solely by thier own reasoning (like RedKen).

They make up something in their head, like Western oppression, racism, poverty (UBL btw is a multi millionaire), ect. They think if they can solve this it will go away ---it wont.

If they had actually did some real studying, they might the truth is not what they believe.

The primary conviction of these Muslim extremist is this;

That every human being must submit themselves to Sharia Law. This must take precident above all law. If they do not submit them they are infidels, the killing of an infidel will be rewarded by Allah.
Their goal is to establish a Great Caliphate (Muslim empire), as a base to eventually force the world into total subjugation under under Sharia Law. Which they believe will happen according to their prophecies.

This is the reality we must face, and this is where we must address this from, until we can find a solution to this, then it will never go away.