m-16 and p90




 
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July 24th, 2004  
mrcool011
 

Topic: m-16 and p90


does anyone know if you can get a license for those guns? i really want them but i dont know if i can get them legally.
August 1st, 2004  
Jacob
 
 
1st you need a class 3 gun licence.
Can't get a fully automatic gun legally with out one. They are about $200-$500 a year and they need to do a full background check on you.
August 3rd, 2004  
c/Commander
 
 
Or join the Army...they'll issue you one (M16).
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August 4th, 2004  
silent driller
 
 
I didn't know civilians could get either of them at all. I know you can get an AR-15(pretty much the same), but I didn't know about the other two. You can get them all in the military.
August 6th, 2004  
5CAV
 
Check out www.sturmgewehr.com. You can find M16s and FN-P90s for sale (NFA Weapons). If you check the discussion-board, you can get an idea of what hoops you have to jump through to keep yourself legal.

M16s are pretty straightforward to get -- they run about $10,000 for a conversion to $15,000 for an original M16A2. Be prepared to spend about 6 months to a year for your first transfer to clear all the paperwork involved.

FN-P90s are only available as post-samples. If you don't know what that means, you probably can't get one.

Go to a local gun show and meet some of the dealers. You should be able to find a class 3 dealer near you who can help you with the paperwork.
August 18th, 2004  
Sea_Cadet
 
M-16 you can get in the US without to much of a hassle.

FN P90's are only available for Law Enforcement and Armed Services, I do not know which branch uses them, but I believe the Air Force Special Forces uses them.

M-16 A2 is not a fully automatic weapon, it Fires semiautomatic and 3-round burst at least that it was it's official usage is.
August 18th, 2004  
5CAV
 
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M-16 A2 is not a fully automatic weapon, it Fires semiautomatic and 3-round burst
Actually there are two versions of the M16A2. The US Army version fires 3-round burst (bad idea). The USMC version fires full-auto (good idea). The USMC seems to understand gunfighting better than the US Army (or at least they are willing to take the time to train real rifle skills and fire discipline).

By the way, don't try to tell your friendly ATF agent that your M16A2 isn't a "machinegun" because it only fires a 3-round burst -- he (or she) will still want to see your "get out of jail free" paperwork (ATF Form 4).
August 18th, 2004  
Sea_Cadet
 
Actually the Marines all prefer semi-automatic, becuase they focus more on each man is a rifleman first, and they prefer the 3-round burst M16-A2, but what is even better they prefer the M16-A4 which has 3 selected modes of fire Semiautomatic, 3-round burst, and Full-automatic.

Most Marines dislike the M16 because of the light round, they would prefer the NATO standard 7.62mm instead of the NATO standard 5.56mm round.


BUt the question is can you get an FN P-90 well as far as I know the Assault Weapons ban ends this year it should be renewed but the Republicans seem to want more crime.

I don't know if Fabriq Nationale I think i seplled that right, will ofer it's Tactical Weapons to the Civillain Market, I hope not because the Gang violence in Southern California I will increase with that kind of Fire power.
August 27th, 2004  
5CAV
 
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they prefer the M16-A4 which has 3 selected modes of fire Semiautomatic, 3-round burst, and Full-automatic.
I am not aware of a version of the M16 that has a four position selector switch. Can you post a picture, or send me to a link of the selector? The only four position selector firearms I know of are the HK series (MP5, G3, G33, G36) and the FN-FNC.

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I don't know if Fabriq Nationale I think i seplled that right, will ofer it's Tactical Weapons to the Civillain Market
FN offers a number of weapons on the civilian market. They offered the FNC in semi-auto until it was banned from importation by Bush I. Currently, they offer a number of bolt action "police sniper" rifles (next ones to be banned), and handguns.

However, without rolling back gun laws to before 1936, you will not find the FN P90 at your corner hardware store, even if the "Assault Rifle Ban" sunsets. The FN P90 is a select fire weapon regulated under the Gun Control Act of 1936, which requires registration of machine guns. It was further restricted by the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned importation of machine guns, so you will never see an FN P90 except as a dealer sample for police use.

All the "Assault Rifle Ban" dealt with were US manufactured rifles that had such offending items as pistol grips, flash-hiders, bayonet lugs, and 11-round and higher magazines. These are pretty much all cosmetic features. When was the last time you saw a news story about someone being bayoneted? Hats off to the Republicans (and a few stalwart Democrats) who don't buy this pile of baloney.

By the way, if the "Assault Rifle Ban" sunsets, any imported semi-automatic rifle that was banned by Bush I (such as the FN FNC) is still banned. This was a DIFFERENT law from the "Assault Rifle Ban" which was done by Clinton. Thankfully, there were enough Senators who saw the "Assault Rifle Ban" as the worthless propaganda tool that it was and insisted on a 10-year life before they would vote on it (ALL laws should have a 10-year life IMHO). The Bush-I ban did not have a 10-year life, nor does the 1968 GCA or the 1936 GCA (obviously, since we are still living with them).

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I hope not because the Gang violence in Southern California I will increase with that kind of Fire power.
If you really feel this way, you might want to move to the United Kingdom. This socialist utopia has banned almost ALL GUNS (all handguns, all rifles, and all shotguns except for double-barreled shotguns, which are tightly regulated).

A bit of fair warning: Before you go through the trouble, you might want to educate yourself on the actual crime rates. Violent crime in the UK is about THREE TIMES the violent crime in the US (The UK is now the highest in the first world).

These bans have done a good job of getting guns out of the hands of homeowners and otherwise law-abiding citizens, but (SURPRISE!) criminals, who also seem to be pretty adept at getting other BANNED items (like drugs), seem to have little problem getting guns. Of course these guns are all illegal and bought on a black market (like the drugs), but gun crime and gun violence has actually INCREASED since the draconian anti-gun laws were put in effect in the UK.

One example, Home invasion robberies represent about 70% of robberies in the UK, compared to about 10% in the US. In the US, criminals know they have a 50/50 chance of running into an armed homeowner, so they take great pains to make sure there is no one at home, except in those wonderful gun-free places like NYC, Washington, DC, and Chicago, IL, which serve to bring up the average to above single digits. In the UK, criminals know that the government has disarmed the public, so everyone is a nice, helpless sheep, waiting to be fleeced.

Crime and violence is not a function of "Assault Weapons" or handguns, or baseball bats (check out the latest mass slaying in Florida). It is a function of bad people (criminals). If they can't have guns, they will use knives and baseball bats. However, unless you can UN-INVENT firearms, criminals WILL HAVE GUNS (by definition, criminals don't concern themselves with laws). I know it sounds trite, but "IF YOU MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL, ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS".
August 27th, 2004  
Lil Hulk 1988
 

Topic: A4 is only a 3 position select fire...


5CAV, you are right, Colt has not made a 4 position select fire. Here is the specs for the A4 from Colt, you can get the Auto or Burst models.

http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp

Semper FI....


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Originally Posted by 5CAV
One example, Home invasion robberies represent about 70% of robberies in the UK, compared to about 10% in the US. In the US, criminals know they have a 50/50 chance of running into an armed homeowner, so they take great pains to make sure there is no one at home, except in those wonderful gun-free places like NYC, Washington, DC, and Chicago, IL, which serve to bring up the average to above single digits. In the UK, criminals know that the government has disarmed the public, so everyone is a nice, helpless sheep, waiting to be fleeced
I guess the reason the Milwaukee houdlims don't enter my house could be the chest full of #4 buck from a 3" mag? Being from Detroit, I do not know a time that we didnot have a weapon in the house.