M-16: my first time. Please help.




 
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March 9th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 

Topic: M-16: my first time. Please help.


Hi. It' s my first time posting in the Military Hardware section.
I wanted to ask: is it true that 10-15 seconds are enough to unload two M-16 loaders (m-16 being the standard weapon for checkpoints in Iraq)? So is it true that 10-15 seconds are enough to shoot 240 bullets?

Because at the Checkpoint it was 4 weapons shooting. Each loader 30 shots. Two loaders per weapon. 60 x 4= 240.
I'd like info on this, thanks.
March 9th, 2005  
lemontree
 
Italian guy,
I did'nt quite get your question?..what do you mean by "loader"? I take you mean the magazine or ammo clip.
The cyclic rate of fire of the M-16 is approx 750 rounds per minute.
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Because at the Checkpoint it was 4 weapons shooting. Each loader 30 shots. Two loaders per weapon. 60 x 4= 240.
About the Check point incident. Not more than a few short bursts would have been fired and not two whole clips per rifle (as you have assumed). Please understand that if all 4 rifles (as you have inicated) fired even 50% of their rounds into the car, then none would have survived.
March 9th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
The rate of fire on the M-16A2 is 800 Rounds per minute. It is in a three burst configuration at best.
If it was just fired in one go (i.e. fully automatic, which the A2 doesn't have), you could empty that thing in 2.25 seconds. Since it is three burst yes, I would say you could totally manage to empty those magazines into the car in less than 10 seconds.
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March 9th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
yeah, id say its possible.
March 9th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
In the older M-16A1, the rate of fire was like 600 rounds per minute and people were using that stuff up within seconds. Under 10 seconds and all. That's kind of the reason why they got rid of the automatic fire in the A2 version.
March 9th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Actually the change was because full auto on the M-16A1 was too inaccurate. The constant fire caused drift. Three round burst means a greater ability to stay on target with the M-16A2.
March 10th, 2005  
Vitaly
 
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Actually the change was because full auto on the M-16A1 was too inaccurate. The constant fire caused drift. Three round burst means a greater ability to stay on target with the M-16A2.
I thought that three-round burst was for higher probability of hit. Kind of like the Russian An-94 Abakan with the 1800 RPM cyclic ROF in the 2 round burst mode.
March 10th, 2005  
sleepyscout
 
 
The m4/m16 is the main shoulder fired weapon however I donít know what unit was running the checkpoint and I have not really researched the subject but I can almost guarantee there was a crew served there ala 50cal machine gun mk19 grenade launcher or m249 saw.
The saw could easily do that in about 20seconds all by its self-
750 rounds per minute thatís about 120 rounds every 10 seconds and what is too say that there where not multiple crew served weapons set up in over watch. When we did check points there was always 2 vehicle mounted crew served weapons in over watch
March 10th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Did you read what I said?

Can you explain the difference between "a greater ability to stay on target" and "for higher probability of hit"? Obviously there is none.
March 10th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitaly
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Actually the change was because full auto on the M-16A1 was too inaccurate. The constant fire caused drift. Three round burst means a greater ability to stay on target with the M-16A2.
I thought that three-round burst was for higher probability of hit. Kind of like the Russian An-94 Abakan with the 1800 RPM cyclic ROF in the 2 round burst mode.
Greater ability to stay on target gives the shooter a higher probabilty of hitting the target. Thats what Charge 7 was saying. Sustained fire in auto with the A1 caused muzzle rise which caused all but the first few rounds to go high.

As far as the amount of rounds fired in 10 seconds it's possible with a reload. But I tend to go with sleepyscout. There were probably crew serves involved as well as M249'S.