Light Tanks - Page 6




 
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November 1st, 2004  
Missileer
 
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Was the Russian tank equipped with some reactive armor perchance? Anything along those lines? I wonder why the TOW is considered better. The Javelin is certainly easier to carry by all accounts I've seen.
I'm with you. There has certainly been more extensive battle experience with the TOW. Maybe the Army/Marines dislike change when something has worked since the `60s.
November 1st, 2004  
Kozzy Mozzy
 
As far as I know the Javelin is considered better because it is fire and forget. While the TOW needs constant guidance to it's target.
November 1st, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
The TOW is bigger but has longer range.
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November 1st, 2004  
Missileer
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozzy Mozzy
Why is the TOW being compared to the Javelin? They fit two different roles. The TOW being a heavy anti-tank weapon while the Javelin is a medium anti-tank weapon.

The tank is question was not fitted with reactive armor. The tank was packed with explosives as well which greatly increased the effect of the Javelin.
Would you like to take a tank into battle without being full of explosives?
The idea of the test is to see if the warhead can penetrate enough to reach those explosives.
November 1st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Seems that the TOW or the Javelin would both be quite useful. Mounting a Javelin launcher would be more compact with more shots, right? The TOW-2 system, from the reviews is considered a better system but its also definitely larger. If your conceiving of a version of either the Stryker or the M8 that focuses on missiles, then you're going to want Stingers or something comparable. You'll also probably want to be packing some substantial machine gun. Lastly a good anti-armor system. For that ... well, you've got some options obviously. LOSAT sounds like a winner to me --- so maybe its not a choice between Javelin and TOW at all.

Still wish I knew more about the Stryker's wheels. Solid rubber or filled with air?? Anybody know for sure??
November 1st, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
Here is another link about the Stryker. Someway down it mentions that the Stryker has 'run flat' tyres so that would indicate that they are air-filled.

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...ryker,,00.html

I think the 8-wheel concept is quite a good one myself. The Spahpanzer Luchs in service with the Bundeswehr is also an 8-wheel design. What I liked about the Luchs is that it has 2 drivers at each end allowing the Luchs to get the hell outa there no matter which way it's facing. It also has run-flat tyres btw. I'm guessing that a lot of the influence of the Stryker design has been taken from the Luchs.
November 2nd, 2004  
Kozzy Mozzy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Missileer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozzy Mozzy
Why is the TOW being compared to the Javelin? They fit two different roles. The TOW being a heavy anti-tank weapon while the Javelin is a medium anti-tank weapon.

The tank is question was not fitted with reactive armor. The tank was packed with explosives as well which greatly increased the effect of the Javelin.
Would you like to take a tank into battle without being full of explosives?
The idea of the test is to see if the warhead can penetrate enough to reach those explosives.
No, not really. The idea of the *demonstration* was to show off the Javelin's power.

Of course a Javelin can penetrate the roof of a T-72, but it will not have such a catastrophic effect, even if the ammo cooked off.
November 2nd, 2004  
Kozzy Mozzy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Seems that the TOW or the Javelin would both be quite useful. Mounting a Javelin launcher would be more compact with more shots, right? The TOW-2 system, from the reviews is considered a better system but its also definitely larger. If your conceiving of a version of either the Stryker or the M8 that focuses on missiles, then you're going to want Stingers or something comparable. You'll also probably want to be packing some substantial machine gun. Lastly a good anti-armor system. For that ... well, you've got some options obviously. LOSAT sounds like a winner to me --- so maybe its not a choice between Javelin and TOW at all.

Still wish I knew more about the Stryker's wheels. Solid rubber or filled with air?? Anybody know for sure??
TOW-2 is vehicle mounted, Javelin is man portable. Javelin has a 2.5km range, TOW-2 has a 3.75km range
November 2nd, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Here is another link about the Stryker. Someway down it mentions that the Stryker has 'run flat' tyres so that would indicate that they are air-filled.

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...ryker,,00.html

I think the 8-wheel concept is quite a good one myself. The Spahpanzer Luchs in service with the Bundeswehr is also an 8-wheel design. What I liked about the Luchs is that it has 2 drivers at each end allowing the Luchs to get the h**l outa there no matter which way it's facing. It also has run-flat tyres btw. I'm guessing that a lot of the influence of the Stryker design has been taken from the Luchs.
Reason I was curious on the tires was -- I opperated a forklift at an old job and it's tires were solid rubber. Figured that an armored military vehicle would have done the same ... but that a helluva lot of rubber and weight I suppose. BIG difference in tire size from a forklift. Likely to slow you down.

Runflat is lovely and all, but if a group of enemy soldiers unload a few AK-47 clips on nothing but the tires, how opperational is the Stryker thereafter? That's the dilema I'm seeing but I don't feel I know enough to call it a fatal flaw. Seems to be a weakness.

As far as the Javelin, I guess I figured it had a mobile vehicular model as well, or that one could easily be developed if it didn't already exist. In terms of supporting the Airborne units, I'd say let the people on foot carry the handheld Javelins and the Armored vehicle can be equipped with the TOW-2 or LOSAT (whichever is preferred). That way, you carry more options going in.
November 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
The Stryker's tiars are air filled.
in order to load the Stryker MGS, they actually have to deflate the tiars or it won't really fit.