Light Infantry vs. Mechanized Infantry




 
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July 9th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 

Topic: Light Infantry vs. Mechanized Infantry


Which do people prefer, light or mech?

Personally, I like light INF. You come in from the field and recover in 3 days. All that is required is to clean the truck, equipment, TA 50, BDU's and be done with it. The less equipment I have, the happier I am.

SSG Doody
December 12th, 2010  
nakser
 
Sorry to bring up an old post, but I would like to know this also.
Which one do people prefer, and for what reasons? What are the differances?
December 13th, 2010  
LeMask
 
What about the "there is no such thing as light infantry."?
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December 13th, 2010  
Big_Z
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nakser
Sorry to bring up an old post, but I would like to know this also.
Which one do people prefer, and for what reasons? What are the differances?
Mechanized hands down. I would much rather wear out a set of tires then a pair of boots.

Mechanized brings a huge amount of adaptablility as well as firepower to the battlefield.



Firepower = The amount of firepower a mounted Troop/Company can bring to the field is catastrophic, at least for the enemy. Bushmasters, TOWS, MK19s, 50 cals and others can turn a small town or villiage into swiss cheese. The bigger weapon systems also lead to longer engagement distances. Mechanized INF can easily reach out to 1500m and beyond.

Mobility = Self explanatory. You can travel much further much faster and your troops are rested when they get to the fight. This opens up allot of potential missions that ground pounders can't perform. Mobile overwatch and screening for other mobile forces for example. This also leads for the need of fewer QRF elements because one element can cover much more ground.

Protection = You are mobile fortress.

Recon = Mounted vehicles open up the use of long range sights such as the LRAS and ITAS. This extends your visibility out to 15,000 meters and beyond.

Comfort = As I already said you will be rested when your arrive at your destination. You can also pack extra everything such as food, ammo, fat chicks, and entertainment if your going to be out for an extended amount of time.

These are just a few things off the top of my head. The list can go on and on.
December 13th, 2010  
LeMask
 
Big_Z, nice military answer, feels like a warlord talking...

But you shouldnt speak like these warlords who arent human anymore... You should speak like wise people like Sun Tzu.

Mechanized units have more firepower. But they cost more. So they are inferior when it comes to economy.

And the firepower, like you said, can give them the ability to wipe out whole cities from the map. Is it a good thing? Of course not. With this much firepower, you will be more dangerous to the enemy, and he might hide next to civilians and innocent people... And then, boum, you lost the war because you used the holy power of turning whole towns into swiss cheese...

And then, there is the arrogance that comes with the people who hold such power. Once you have this overwhelming firepower, you will feel the need to use it growing. You will start to wage bogus wars for power...
A bit like Germany with their Blitzkrieg tactics... They took out a big part of Europe and threatened the world. And then, a few years later, their wives and sisters were rapped in mass by communist scum coming from the USSR...

And let's speak about protection... Protection means also weight. And then, you cant follow your enemies in the moutains and any rough terrain in fact... And then, you will be unable to fight this enemy because you got used to the warm and safe fortresses... Why should we fight and care about the people who are in danger when we can hide in a fortress and drink beer?

And about reconnaissance equipment... These are sweet toys. But why should we speak to people and learn to live with them when we can observe them with high tech thermals, satellites etc...

And then, these nice hightech cameras can be used to make kick ass videos to put on youtube... And then, we can add hardrock music for tunes, and piss off all the peace loving people on the whole planet...

And then, we can get angry when some Wikileaks like liberal idiots leak the videos of our hightech toys operated by human beings who make errors like mistaking a journalist with a camera with a terrorist with an RPG... And shooting a few seconds later into a crowd of terrorists wearing white shirts...

I know, I'm being a jerk... But you guys speak about intelligence so much, you are smart for sure. But what about wisdom?

Do you see the difference between being smart and being wise? They are not always compatible...

And especially to our high tech, high firepower western armies... We win battles and lose wars for so long that it's time to ask ourselves some questions...

We cared for firepower so much, that we both lost in Vietnam... Professional armies had their asses handed to them by peasants...
December 13th, 2010  
brinktk
 
 
Peasants...really? The North Vietnamese Army was just as well trained and just as well equipped as their American adversaries. I wouldn't say we had our asses kicked. The "peasants" or VC you speak of were almost non-existent after the 1968 Tet Offensive because they were almost all killed. Every time the Communist forces decided to fight in that war they got THEIR asses handed to them. We lost the war not because of our military inability, but because of our lack of political will. The US forces fought with both hands tied behind their backs and still cleaned the clock of the NVA/VC in every major military action throughout our involvement in the war.

Ask any Vietnam vet and they will tell the worthiness of the NVA infantryman as an adversary. They may have hated each other, but there was certainly a mutual respect between the two. My dad said he had more respect for the NVA than the ARVN forces we were supporting because at least the NVA would fight for what they believed in.

Our loss in Vietnam is NOT a result of the soldiers fighting on the ground, it was a result of the politicians running a war from halfway around the war and never really grasping what was necessary to win. Like my dad says "I don't know what happened, when I left, we were winning!"
December 13th, 2010  
GHR
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
Big_Z, nice military answer, feels like a warlord talking...

But you shouldnt speak like these warlords who arent human anymore... You should speak like wise people like Sun Tzu.

Mechanized units have more firepower. But they cost more. So they are inferior when it comes to economy.

And the firepower, like you said, can give them the ability to wipe out whole cities from the map. Is it a good thing? Of course not. With this much firepower, you will be more dangerous to the enemy, and he might hide next to civilians and innocent people... And then, boum, you lost the war because you used the holy power of turning whole towns into swiss cheese...

And then, there is the arrogance that comes with the people who hold such power. Once you have this overwhelming firepower, you will feel the need to use it growing. You will start to wage bogus wars for power...
A bit like Germany with their Blitzkrieg tactics... They took out a big part of Europe and threatened the world. And then, a few years later, their wives and sisters were rapped in mass by communist scum coming from the USSR...

And let's speak about protection... Protection means also weight. And then, you cant follow your enemies in the moutains and any rough terrain in fact... And then, you will be unable to fight this enemy because you got used to the warm and safe fortresses... Why should we fight and care about the people who are in danger when we can hide in a fortress and drink beer?

And about reconnaissance equipment... These are sweet toys. But why should we speak to people and learn to live with them when we can observe them with high tech thermals, satellites etc...

And then, these nice hightech cameras can be used to make kick ass videos to put on youtube... And then, we can add hardrock music for tunes, and piss off all the peace loving people on the whole planet...

And then, we can get angry when some Wikileaks like liberal idiots leak the videos of our hightech toys operated by human beings who make errors like mistaking a journalist with a camera with a terrorist with an RPG... And shooting a few seconds later into a crowd of terrorists wearing white shirts...

I know, I'm being a jerk... But you guys speak about intelligence so much, you are smart for sure. But what about wisdom?

Do you see the difference between being smart and being wise? They are not always compatible...

And especially to our high tech, high firepower western armies... We win battles and lose wars for so long that it's time to ask ourselves some questions...

We cared for firepower so much, that we both lost in Vietnam... Professional armies had their asses handed to them by peasants...
What the hell's this mouth S***. You talk through your ass. You have no f***ing idea what you're talking about.

The day you've grown balls big enough to eat the same S*** as some of us have done then you can get a seat at the table and talk S*** to us, it is a privilege which you have to earn. until then ........ STFU!!
December 13th, 2010  
LeMask
 
First things first... GHR STFU, you are a fool.
You can eat **** as long as you want and brag about it as long as you want... You are still a caveman speaking about who got the biggest spear... Now shut up, grown ups are talking...

Well, brinktk, That's not the point.

The Vietnamese won the war... Even if the professional armies they were fighting won the battles (well, not all battles).

My point is that firepower is overrated. With firepower, you can win a battle and lose a war.

And there is no miracles on the battlefield... If the NVA were worthy soldiers, and equal soldiers... Well, they would have had the same result as their enemies... But it wasnt the case, because of poor training, poor tactics, poor strategy in battle or whatever the reasons.... or because their enemies had air support, better weapons, better tactics etc...
If the professional armies won their battle... It's because of a rational reason.

Well, my point is that we represent industrialized countries. We have firepower. No one can deny that. But the problem is that we went so far down that path, that we forgot about the rest...

Firepower is a tool. It's not THE ultimate tool to win a war.

So, you take a mechanized unit, you take out all the high tech toys, and use the hardware budget to provide cultural training to your soldiers... Or to provide funds for intelligence work... And you can have a less destructive unit, for sure... But maybe that this unit will be able to hold a road block without lighting up civilians and pissing off the whole country...

I say less money for firepower and better training could do a difference in a modern battlefield.
December 13th, 2010  
Redleg
 
 
Gents, keep it calm and on on-topic!
This is the first and only warning I'll post in this thread.

Thanks.
December 13th, 2010  
GHR
 
 
@LeMask

What the hell are you doing on a military forum. Grown up? my bare ass. You're like a little boy running around with a stick and imagine that you have a great knowledge of the military world.

Why donīt you do us a favor and perform some community useful, like supporting your local SAR squadron. In other words - GET LOST!