Are Liberals Exploiting People's Needs?

Thug culture doesn't have a colour

Thu, May 18, 2006
By RACHEL MARSDEN
Toronto Sun

Last week, my column supporting the death penalty in open-and-shut cases of serious violent crime flushed out some charter members of the Waiting to be Offended Club.

I made no reference to the race of the two teen suspects charged with trafficking drugs and murdering Windsor Police Constable John Atkinson (they're white, by the way). But leave it to liberals to advance the racist argument that gangsta thug culture can only be associated with blacks, even though the most famous rapper in the world is a white guy named Marshall Bruce Mathers III, who lives just across the bridge from Windsor. Outside of court, he's known as Eminem.

One budding gang-banger wrote: "It seems you hate black people and the black culture." He then proceeded to call me a "white ho."

Another beacon of inclusiveness accused me of being a "racist b----," then called me a "cracker" in the next sentence.

Consider this artistic contribution by a high-profile member of the homey community:

"Ice Cube will swarm

On any m------cka in a blue uniform

Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young nigga on a warpath

And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath

Of cops, dyin' in L.A."

If lyrics like these, from NWA's ditty "F--k Tha Police," inspire you to tuck your "piece" into that hula hoop around your knees that you call a waistband, and go around offing innocent people, then you should have the chair kicked out from under you. Black punk, white punk, I don't care -- yo.

But liberals see "racism" everywhere. Academic Manning Marable even saw it in Ronald Reagan's policy of equality, accusing the former U.S. President of opposing "government policies designed to redress blacks' grievances or to compensate them for either the historical or contemporary effects of discrimination."

Lefties love black people, as long as they're advancing the radical leftist agenda. There isn't an ethnic group that they won't use as a front.
I received several notes from members of the Anti-Racist Action (ARA) group. They're the folks who are best known for peddling that "Free Mumia" merch on university campuses, in support of a cop killer.

In one ARA member's opinion, my column contained "strong undercurrents of racism," and fell "just short of bellowing calls for a modern day lynch mob." Shrugging off the murder of a police officer, he expressed concern for "the many young dead people who were victims of the Toronto Police." Many? Try naming one.

When these "anti-racists" aren't holding bake sales for poor Mumia, they like to host events promoting the joys of communism and anarchy. At least one has been a federal Marxist-Leninist Party candidate.

Perhaps they would like to invite successful black people like former and current conservative U.S. Secretary of States, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, to speak at one of their "anti-racist" events?

Rice and Powell are more likely to be viewed by this crowd as "Aunt Jemima" and "Uncle Tom" of Master Bush's plantation. Many "progressives," like Wisconsin radio host Sly Sylvester, have already articulated this sentiment. That's because liberals only like black people who support the kind of government that they like -- such as Castro's Cuba, where all the badass lefty rebels are dependent on Big Daddy Fidel for their allowance. And they actually do work on plantations.


Conservative U.S. President Abraham Lincoln ended slavery in 1862. Nearly 150 years later, right-wingers are still waiting for liberals to get with the program.

You can e-mail Rachel Marsden through her website at www.rachelmarsden.com

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Marsden_Rachel/2006/05/18/1585517.html
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Big differences when it comes to libs and Republicans
 
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Well, here is a surprise to some!! I even said that capital punishment should be possible... Yeah you heard it; I believe in a modern, high-tech army with the best possible gadgets and yes, it may cost a buck or two. And people who are a permanent thread to society and are convicted of murder beyond a doubt should be taken out of society. Not via a 3 million dollar procedure and a 10 year waiting list. Plain and simple, a poisonous needle in the arm within the month of conviction. As I said, I am a conservative liberal!

And last but not least: I show genuine tolerance!! :)
 
phoenix80 said:
Are Liberals Exploiting People's Needs?


Since I have come to Canada, and even before that due to vast contacts with people from both sides of the western political spectrum, I managed to learn more about the structures and principles of both Right (Conservative) and Left (Liberal) ideas.

Time and time again, it was proven to me, that what each party or political affiliations wants for people or what values each does stand for.

Obviously we have two major ruling parties in most western societies, like Democrats and Republicans in the States, Liberals and Conservatives in Australia, UK and Canada....etc.

The fact that Conservative style of ruling the country, the very first idea North America (i.e New Nations/Lands) was founded upon, wants people to work and that the Liberals want people to be dependent on them through welfare money and social assistance cash money is obvious.

A country like Canada or the US could not stand where it does today if the founding men of these nations were not hard working men and women.

One of the things that made me seriously think about the above statement, was the Hurricane Katrina disaster in September 05, where thousands of African-Americans were left homeless, the incompetent democratic governor couldn't come up with any emergency plans and the party loving mayor of the city didn't have any plans in the first place either. The state of Louisiana was run, at the time of the disaster and long before that, by people claiming to be Liberal Democrats (read leftist) and actually come from that party, the party of Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy that would be.

For Canadians, we better take a look at the disasterous condition of our poor in Ontario and the fact that it is a Liberal powerhouse and has always been a place for Liberals to collect votes.

It raises the question as: why do Liberals want people NOT to work and get the government's money and raise the ordinary working citizens' taxes?

Is it not all about votes? If not, then what is it?

Is it not true that this sort of mindset is going to destroy the foundations of the societies they were once built upon? As I know, and correct me if I am wrong, the western societies are built upon very conservatives values. And it is likely that the hatred the left carries for these values may put an end to the style of life as we know it today in North America.

Maybe it sounds harsh, but Leftists and Liberals alike are definitely inflicting awful damages to the Western societies by their incoherent social policies.

The Democrats/Liberals both have always shown that they want people to be poor so they can hand them "social assistance money" (read welfare) and make them loyal to the party that is giving them this sort of aid and look good in the eyes of the poor part of the society.

The fact that most poor parts of our societies have either a Liberal Governor, mayor or premier is tale telling.

The essence of western (i.e North American) style of life is based on "working" to build a prosperous and advanced society, that is what I have come to know in the past few years by traveling, reading and living in the western society.

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I wrote this at The Shotgun and I appreciate some feedback
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I think you better read up a bit more on US history. The Republicans have made much effort in trying to exploit US labour, make taxes low for the well off and allow business to a free run. Thank god for FDR!!!

And don't try and compare US history with Australian. You haven't got a clue.
 
"Liberal - You believe that some things in society could definitely stand to be improved, and you view social progress as the key. You admirably manage to hold that view without becoming rabid about it, which ironically shows you as having more genuine tolerance than your Far-Left Liberal cousins."

Apparently, I am liberal. From an economic perspective I am more conservative, but from a social issues perspective... you can do whatever the hell you want as long as you're not harming anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. Smoke some fine herb. Have kinky sex with men... but if you kill someone, you die. That's right, I also believe in capital punishment! A strong military! Machineguns for everyone! And no more affirmitive action!

I admire aspects of socialist, libertarian, and conservative ideas, and it's very hard to put them together in a working system.

Edit: Contrary to popular belief, I love America too!
 
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lol, I can see why BullDog said I was worse than Cabal. It is ironic that anyone in the military is conservitive and here is why. How can anyone be conservitive when they are gauranteed: a job, free room, board, access to education. These gaurantees sound strikingly familiar. They sound like what liberals want gauranteed to them!
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I don't understand why people are soo facinated about the personal lives of Celebrities??
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Celebrities distract the population from what is really going on. Celebrities and politics have a lot in common since Reagon ran for office.
 
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Its not free. Our rights and very lives are exchanged for those benefits.
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What you mean is the higher risk potential of dying a sooner death than sitting at your home playing metroids is offset by promise of liberalesque guarantees of all the necessities of life given to you and not only given but also babysat into making sure you don't illuse them. That doesn't sound like conservitism my friend; it sounds like liberal campaign promises.

edit: what we should have is a more conservitive military. One that promotes self sufficiency and reliability. One that teaches responsibility - one that makes you starve if you do not compete. And no more of this promoting people either just because they have been in there for a while. Promotion should be strictly based on performance. What kind of liberal idea is it that you think you are gauranteed status just because you have been there for a while. Competition is at the very center of conservitism.
 
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Wrong.

You are not in the military. Further you are a very poor candidate for military service. I would highly suggest you do not follow the path, you are ill-suited to the demands and have a very poor understanding of the sacrifices made everyday by soldiers so that you can run your mouth berating them with your verbal manure.
 
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Apparently, I am liberal. From an economic perspective I am more conservative, but from a social issues perspective... you can do whatever the hell you want as long as you're not harming anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. Smoke some fine herb. Have kinky sex with men... but if you kill someone, you die. That's right, I also believe in capital punishment! A strong military! Machineguns for everyone! And no more affirmitive action!

I admire aspects of socialist, libertarian, and conservative ideas, and it's very hard to put them together in a working system.
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Wow, you and I have more in common then thought before!! And I don't know about you, but I also belong to this special 3% group.... So I am starting to wonder what group this is!
 
bulldogg said:
Wrong.

You are not in the military. Further you are a very poor candidate for military service. I would highly suggest you do not follow the path, you are ill-suited to the demands and have a very poor understanding of the sacrifices made everyday by soldiers so that you can run your mouth berating them with your verbal manure.
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Wrong, you are the one not in the military. :9mm:
 
Would you please attempt to grow a spine and quit editting your friggin posts AFTER people have responded to them. No one likes to talk to a worm.

As for not being in the military... been there done that something your butt has yet to do so by all means pull yer head in.
 
The mod said to edit the post instead of double posting. I assure you, the edits are simply adding additional thoughts to the post.

edit: that being said, in my mind the military is a great place to improve yourself. Not only are you being tought to live as a neat and organized human being, you are being given an occupation, money to earn an education with, and all at the same time coupled with free room and board and rules.

The gov become like very strict parents and you get rewarded for it. I just hope it doesn't dehabilitate you.
 
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It is not double posting after another member has responded. It is in point of fact disingenuous.

Anywho... back on topic... does anyone else think that dividing the spectrum of thought on the economy, domestic policy, foreign policy et al into two views, conservative or liberal is just a tad oversimplifying things? I would go so far as to claim it is in fact a case of "divide and rule" and for the most part the sheep are buying into it.
 
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Far-Right Conservative

Somehow, I knew this would happen.
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Hahahahaha I fear you even more now then I did before Missileer. I now I can throw in the argument that you can´t cope with other points of view because of your lack of tolerance hahahaha!!!!!
 
I scored far left liberal... how dumb.

Issues were presented as either liberal or conservative but did not leave room for personal opinion. It seems like voting on such a test describes your station in life (or what you would like others to think is your station in life) rather than your opinion on individual issues:

These are my opinions, which are not necessarily traditionally ham sandwiched media conservatively twisted liberal or tight fisted miserly classist conservative:


1. Capital Punishment. I believe in capital punishment. I even believe that Roman colosseums are not bad. We should have roman arenas with gladiators. What I do not like about capital punishment is that it is too culture infused. Forinstance, if Chayne would have killed his buddy in the hunting accident, I highly doubt he would be on death row, although if black people shoot eachother in a hunting accident, one is going to be a murderer. I believe that if a murder is already done, the only reason to murder the murderer is so that they do not commit another murder. If we knew they would not commit another murder than why kill them. 2 evils does not make a good. Another backing to kill a murderer is if they want to die. It seems like if they are so psychologically ruined, it would be a mercy to kill them; so be it. We could make an Arena and charge bucks to watch them duke it out after we drugged them with medicine that made them feel nothing.

2. Affirmative Action. This is one of those things where we will not know what the effects are until they are studied without bias, but since it is highly improbable that will happen, it's a moot point.

3. Abortion. I believe that killing something for nothing is wrong. That being said, I believe when the nervous system develops is when there is life. I wouldn't mind dying if i couldn't feel it and my brain was not developed enough to know what was going on.

4. Ten Commandment display. I believe religion to serve many purposes but I do believe that religion can also be used as a tool to manipulate. Ever since Constantine, things have gone down hill in religion.

5. My view on welcoming immigrants. Well, when it was said to "bring your poor, hungry, malnourished to America" that's exactly what was meant.

6. Racial Profiling. Racial Profiling... Never had to deal with it so I do not know what it is all about.

7. Homosexuality. Homosexuals are fine as long as they're both female and they are willing to let me watch.
 
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Anywho... back on topic... does anyone else think that dividing the spectrum of thought on the economy, domestic policy, foreign policy et al into two views, conservative or liberal is just a tad oversimplifying things?
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Yes me too. A better approach is http://www.politicalcompass.org. Although the test says I'm Ghandi. :confused:

BTW, I didn't know "liberal" was a synonym for "leftist" in the US. "Liberals" in most parts of the world are in the middle of the political spectrum. And if the US democrats would candidate in any other country they would be put there too I guess. I mean just take the Clinton government, they were in charge for 8 years and couldn't even bring themselves to introduce free health care - what kind of leftist ideology is that supposed to be? Also, "leftist" governments don't leave a balanced budget. Ever.


And @phoenix80:
introducing welfare money doesn't mean you want people not to work. It's simply the only sane thing to do when there's no full employment. Unless of course you don't mind people less lucky than you die of hunger or freeze to death in winter. Thats right, "less lucky", as it is not only the incapable or lazy that end up relying on social support. Part of any business venture is taking risks, so in a nation of risk takers you will always have some that fail miserably. No matter what thats just the merciless laws of probability.

Also you seem to imply that if only the conservatives had their way, poverty would be wiped out sooner or later. The only reason its still around is that democrats need it to win elections. But if we all were wealthy business men, with nice conservative families, in nice homes, all playing golf at the country club on weekends... who would serve us drinks there? Who would mow the lawn? Who would wash the dishes? Would those guys be rich too? Cuz I think that would be a vision any leftist could agree on, with a dishwasher earning as much as a factory owner.

Ok you probably didn't mean to say that. So you agree there will always be less fortunate people. But if that is so I think its a good thing they have a political voice too. Saying the democrats are only exploiting their needs and actually want them to stay poor is like saying doctors want people to get sick and have accidents because otherwise they would be out of work. It's kinda true but if you're sick or just had an accident with the chainsaw you will still want to see a doctor.
 
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