Last Stand!




 
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September 21st, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Last Stand!


There is a book titled Last Stand, which depicts desperate battles of few verses many. Id like to hear some stories about such fights, maybe if you guys cooperate ill share a couple.
September 21st, 2008  
Papashah41
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
There is a book titled Last Stand, which depicts desperate battles of few verses many. Id like to hear some stories about such fights, maybe if you guys cooperate ill share a couple.
Off hand I can only think of King Leonidas of Sparta with his 300 and about 400 other Hopilites against the million of Xerxese and the Persian Army. Supposedly the classic example of what an intelligent commander can do with terrain which favours the defender and superior soldiers.

Sherman you get to ask the next question on the quiz.
September 26th, 2008  
errol
 
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
There is a book titled Last Stand, which depicts desperate battles of few verses many. Id like to hear some stories about such fights, maybe if you guys cooperate ill share a couple.

Wow, that's a real nice warm invitation Sherman. I can just see all the guys piling in here to share their stories with you.

Who is the author of the book you read?
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September 26th, 2008  
03USMC
 
 
Howards Hill-13 June 1966 Chu Lai RVN.

A recon patrol from Company C, 1st Recon Bn, 1st Marine Division consisting of 15 Marines and 2 Navy Corpsmen commanded by Ssgt Jimmie Howard USMC inserted in the vicinity of Hill 488. The patrols mission was to observe and report enemy activity in the area.

For two days the patrol observed enemy movements and engaged targets of opportunity with supporting arms fire.

On 15 June 1966 Howards patrol was descended upon by an NVA Bn. during the night the patrol under Howard replused several human wave attacks. Using small arms, mortars and grenades. They were taunted by NVA yelling "Marines in one hour you die!" Howard instructed his people to laugh at the taunts.

Howard was constantly in contact with the Bn CP using the callsign Carnivel Time, Howard coordinated the rescue effort of his team.

In the final stages of the battle the fighting had depleted the ammo and Howard ordered his Marines to throw rocks. The NVA fearing any rock might be a grenade became more cautious of advancing.

At dawn 16 June 1966 a relief force was helo lifted on to hill 488. Of the defenders 5 were dead a 6th would die during evac. Between the 12 surviors there remained 8 rounds of ammo.

The Patrol was awarded 4 Navy Crosses, 13 Silver Stars, 18 Purple Hearts (Every member of the patrol had been wounded) and Howard was awarded the Medal of Honor.
September 26th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
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Wow, that's a real nice warm invitation Sherman. I can just see all the guys piling in here to share their stories with you
Did you hear that? You just broke my heart Just kidding I just hate starting threads and whatch them die. I read that book a year ago and gave it to a friend of mine, never saw it since...

03USMC, that is a serious story right there.

In 1948 a force of a few dozen Hagana(Israels pre-independence militiary force) was sent to reinforce Gush Etzion, a block of jewish settelments surrounded by the loacal arabs and and the Jordanian Arab Legion. During the march a few had to return their noumbers dwindeled to 25. They were meant to covertly infiltrate into the settelments, but were compremised by a boy goat herder on the way. They decided to let the boy go, ecause they couldent carry him along and they couldent bring themselves to kill him. The boy told the local arab militias and soon they were surrounded by houndreds of arabs. According to ARAB eyewitneses they fought until they ran out of ammo and granades, than fought with rocks and sticks untill all 25 were killed. their bodies were later found mutilated. Arab casualties were in the houndreds. To this day their act of not killing a civilian compremise is given as an example to what IDF soldiers should act like in combat situations.
September 27th, 2008  
03USMC
 
 
Heck of a story SHERMAN.

Lang Vei RVN-6 Feb, 1968

A US Special Forces Camp Lang Vei was located approx 7km from the Khe Sanh Marine Base in the NW corner of RVN near the borders of Laos and N. Vietnam. It was established in 1967 as part of the CIDG program and was home to ODA 101 5th Special Forces Group.

At 1800 hours 6 Feb Lang Vei came under artillery and mortar attack from the NVA elements in the area. The camp responded with counter fire from the camps mortars and supporting artillery from Khe Sanh Combat Base.

At approx. 0100 hours an attack by an estimated regiment of NVA supported by 12 PT-76 tanks attacked the perimeter of the camp. Using LAAW's and the camps 106mm and 57mm recoiless rifles the defenders managed to destroy 5 of the PT 76's. However the permiter was over run and the defenders were forced to fight in isolated pockets of resistance. Most of the surviving SF men took refuge in the camps operations bunker.

The NVA ranged throughout the camp destroying the fortfications with explosive charges and wiping out the pockets of resistance. They attacked the operations center all night but were never able to destroy or drive out the SF men or the CIDG forces that had taken refuge there.

As dawn broke the SF men called in repeated air strikes on the NVA surrounding Lang Vei and on the base itself. They also requested that Col. Lowndes the commander at Khe Sanh dispatch a relief force. Fearing that a relief force of Marines would not make it thru Lowndes disapproved the request.

At noon General Westmoreland dispatched a helo-lifted SF Mike Force from Khe Sanh Village to conducted the evacuation of Lang Vei.

Of the 24 SF men at Lang Vei 7 were killed of the 500 CIDG Montagnard troops at least 250 were killed.
September 27th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
About one RoKMC "platoon" of 13 men in Vietnam:

"Their most notable operations were "Operation Van Buren" and the Battle of Hoi An. During "Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead. It was first a gun battle but it broke down into hand to hand combat. The ROKMC had an overall kill ratio of 25:1."

Source: http://www.specialoperations.com/For.../Default2.html

I've heard about it before many times.
But the information seems too general from this source.
September 28th, 2008  
errol
 
 
Lets not forget the Navy. Even though on a bigger scale, the Battle of Samar (1944) in the Pacific was still a desparate last stand battle, where a small US force had to face a large Japanese force, which the US won. I won't try and summarize it myself. I couldn't do it justice. The links below are excellent.

The Last Stand of the Tin Can Soldiers is a great book about the battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Las...in_Can_Sailors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

Was this the book Sherman? Last Stand. Please check out the link below.

Synopsis
Presents 13 examples of last stand battles, including the Battle of Rorke's Drift, the Alamo and Little Big Horn, as well as lesser-known "stands", such as that of Napoleon's old guard at Waterloo.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-Stand-B...2588073&sr=1-2
September 28th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
yep thats the book. israeli version had a couple of battles added by the translator, from the israeli arab wars.

Anyways-

Between 7th and 10th of October 1973 the Israeli 7th armored brigade fought against several attacks by Syrian armored divisions, at odds of up to 6-1 in tanks. Most of 7th brigade tanks were destroyed, its units broke and were only saved by the commander of 77 bettalion, Avigdor Kahalni, who repidedly rallied the troops and kept the tanks in positions that controlled a huge killing zone. about 600 Syrian tanks and AFVs were destroyed, in what became known as the Syrian Valley of Tears. read the book Heights of Courage by Kahalani for more, there is no way to describe it otherwise
September 30th, 2008  
03USMC
 
 
Nam Dong CIDG Camp 6 July, 1964.

At approx. 0226 6 July, 1964 the Nam Dong CIDG camp was attacked by a reinforced bn of Viet Cong. The attack started with a heavy mortar barrage followed by a ground assault. The defenders consisted of US Special Forces Advisors, Australian Army Advisors, South Vietnamese troops and Nung Mercenaries. For at a total of approx.370 defenders.

For five hours the defenders countered assault after assault with small arms, mortars, recoiless rifles and crew served weapons. Out numbered 3 to 1 the defenders held out. At 0945 the camp was evacuted by 6 USMC helo's.

The causalties were 55 South Vietnamese/Nungs KIA , 65 South Vietnamese/Nungs WIA. 2 SF men killed and 1 Australian KIA.

The Camp Commander Capt. Roger Donlon would the 1st Solider awarded the MOH in RVN.

Warrant Officer Kevin Conway Australian Army was the 1st Aussie to be KIA in RVN. He was recommended for the Victoria Cross for manning a mortar emplacement by himself until he was killed. The decoration was never awarded.
 


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