Landmines and the Geneva convention (from the MOS thread) - Page 4




 
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April 22nd, 2004  
Pollux
 
I think The main reasons why anti personnel landmines are outlawed are
1. they dont kill, they injure
2. if the plans of the mine fields get lost or dont even exist, you have work for the next 50years to defuse them (like in kambodia)
3. "kids love em"
April 22nd, 2004  
JaegerWolf08
 
 
the US uses anti-personnel mines in the case of the Claymore in the offensive capacity, but buried mines are only used for defensive purposes.
April 22nd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
We [the US] have not used AP mines since the Gulf War in 1991.
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April 23rd, 2004  
JaegerWolf08
 
 
I thought that Claymores are considered AP, only that they are command detonated. I know there are still AP mines all through the DMZ.
April 23rd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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Originally Posted by JaegerWolf08
I thought that Claymores are considered AP, only that they are command detonated. I know there are still AP mines all through the DMZ.
"We [the US] have not used AP mines since the Gulf War in 1991."

They aren't used until they've been implemented and triggered for the purpose they were created.

And I'm told using them to dispatch a flock of seagulls does not count as used.
April 23rd, 2004  
FutureRANGER
 
 
I was wondering something the other day. Will an animal(something that might wander into the area, like a dog or something) be heavy enough to set off a mine? Some animals undoubtably would be (but I don't think there are many elephants in Korea). How many pounds of pressure does it take to set off an anti-personel mine?

Will a seagull really detonate a mine?

My brother took a trip to the DMZ yesterday and took pictures. He told me about the famous 1 hole golf course thats surrounded on three sides by land mines. Talk about sand traps
April 23rd, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
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Originally Posted by FutureRANGER
How many pounds of pressure does it take to set off an anti-personel mine?
From nothing to very much...
Some mines have motion sensors, some accustic sensors, trip-wire etc.., but I guess you are talking about dug down mines that you have to step on.

They can need from a couple of kg's and up..
AT mines normally needs from 100-200, depending on the type, so a human could actually set off one of those as well.

And one more thing, a remote detonated Claymore is NOT considered a mine...
It's a weapon system, since you control when it's going to detonate..
April 23rd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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And one more thing, a remote detonated Claymore is NOT considered a mine...
It's a weapon system, since you control when it's going to detonate
Incorrect, claymores are classified as directional AP mines.

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How many pounds of pressure does it take to set off an anti-personel mine?
Depends on the mine. A dog could very well set off many types.

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Will a seagull really detonate a mine?
Possibly, but we called the shots on their fate that day.
April 23rd, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
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Originally Posted by RnderSafe
Incorrect, claymores are classified as directional AP mines.
I think this may be a language/country thing..
Claymores with tripwires are classified as AP mines, but I was talking about remote detonated claymores.
We (Norway) don't have any AP mines any more (Geneva convention), all tripwires etc. has been removed from them and remote detonators has been added to the claymore variants we had.
In Norway we call this a remote detonated sector charge (trans. from Norwegian..), and it is classified as a weapon system.
We have both AP and AT charges (M19 and M100), but we the only mines we have are different types of AT.
April 23rd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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In Norway we call this a remote detonated sector charge (trans. from Norwegian..), and it is classified as a weapon system.
Change the classification to get around the rules? Have to love semantics, we've done that with a few things due to the human rights groups. (Still AP, but we won't tell anyone)