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Jerry Falwell Dead
 
May 16th, 2007  
bulldogg
 
 

Jerry Falwell Dead
You have not disproven any of your logical fallacies, you've simply confounded them further. I'm stickin a fork in this as it is pointless trying to reason with someone who doesn't use reason. Baka.
May 16th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
From your last post, Probably because I don't understand your reasoning.

Editing after a response is bad form, so you force me to double post to quote you and hold you to your responses.

Not really. The rules here actively encourage it. The problem is that we are both posting at the exact same time thus making things confusing. Unfortunately nothing can be done about that other than to allow time between each others posts.

Could you state an example of Hate coming from something other than anger? I have never heard of Hate coming from logic. To me they are opposites. To have logic (be logical); is to reach a level enlightenment. Enlightenment is the opposite to anger as anger is emotional.

While I agree that morality is subject to interpretation some themes remain constant regardless of the cutlure. Preaching Hatred for example is widely viewed as evil, even in places like the Middle East, (although Iran might be the exception). It just goes to show what happens when you leave the extremists in charge.

You accuse me of cultural imperialism, how so? I don't recall force feeding my beliefs to other people. As a matter of fact I consider myself extremely tolerant to other people. I am not the one telling gays they are going to hell, telling Jews they need to convert, or pushing minorites into 2nd class citizenry. Thats precisely what I dislike about these "moralist".

The worst you can say about me is that I passed judgement on a single person who has made a lifetime habit of judging other people and making their lives as miserable as possible. I'll survive, and I won't deny that I'm glad he's gone.


4 day weekend is now starting. My ass is a vapor.

Later.
May 16th, 2007  
phoenix80
 
 
R.I.P Jerry
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Jerry Falwell Dead
May 17th, 2007  
bulldogg
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
From your last post, Probably because I don't understand your reasoning.
I'm using classical, sometimes called Aristotelian Logic. Its simple, there are various fallacies which make a point invalid which I highlighted for you. But rather than reframe some of your posits you continued to use the same flawed reasoning. Logic is boiled down to simply this... you establish an enthyneme and then using links you then progress to your point. These links must be based on facts that are proven. The most common logical fallacy in students' writing is argumentum ad ignoratium which simply means they jumped a few links and didn't prove their case. Other elements of all arguments are pathos, ethos and logos. I'd offer this, your comments on the deceased are rooted too heavily in pathos for this discourse community.

Editing after a response is bad form, so you force me to double post to quote you and hold you to your responses.

Not really. The rules here actively encourage it. The problem is that we are both posting at the exact same time thus making things confusing. Unfortunately nothing can be done about that other than to allow time between each others posts.

Well, not to put too fine a point on it but there was 18 minutes between when I posted and when you editted but so be it. Some people take more time constructing a response and there is nothing wrong with that so I'll concede this point.

Could you state an example of Hate coming from something other than anger? I have never heard of Hate coming from logic. To me they are opposites. To have logic (be logical); is to reach a level enlightenment. Enlightenment is the opposite to anger as anger is emotional.

Other than personal examples I can offer this classic to illustrate my claim. Teachers hate to see a student with great potential squander it. There is no anger in that. It is a hatred derived from a logical basis.

While I agree that morality is subject to interpretation some themes remain constant regardless of the cutlure. Preaching Hatred for example is widely viewed as evil, even in places like the Middle East, (although Iran might be the exception). It just goes to show what happens when you leave the extremists in charge.

In China and many other places with repressive regimes it is not considered evil to preach hatred. The Chinese use the constant propaganda of hate aimed at the japanese with great success. In various countries for whatever spurious reasons it is ok to preach hate. In Russia it is also considered ok by the majority of Russians to preach hatred of the Chechens. This is a point I would make, most people are surprised when they leave their own cultures and become immersed in one very foreign to the one of their origin that morals are varied and very little is constant.

You accuse me of cultural imperialism, how so? I don't recall force feeding my beliefs to other people. As a matter of fact I consider myself extremely tolerant to other people. I am not the one telling gays they are going to hell, telling Jews they need to convert, or pushing minorites into 2nd class citizenry. Thats precisely what I dislike about these "moralist".

You don't have to preach it to be guilty of cultural imperialism. Anytime you judge another culture, society or person which is outside of your own by the rules of your culture you have committed this act. Simply put, you are not a religious conservative of which the deceased was a member of that sub-culture of the US. As such to judge his life by the rules of the sub-set of the culture you are a member of is to be committing an act of cultural imperialism. I am not saying the deceased didn't do this. That is not the point. The point is that by criticising him you are doing the very thing you say he did that was so heinous.

The worst you can say about me is that I passed judgement on a single person who has made a lifetime habit of judging other people and making their lives as miserable as possible. I'll survive, and I won't deny that I'm glad he's gone.
My comments in red. Have a nice vacation Mr Vapor.
May 17th, 2007  
tomtom22
 
 

Bulldogg & mmarsh, two words of advice

Chill out
May 17th, 2007  
Padre
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
CNN is reporting that Jerry Falwell has died at age 73.


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15...ell/index.html


I dislike to speak ill of the recently deceased, but I have got no respect for people that preach hatred. So to blazes with Jerry Falwell...

1. This is a man who was an outspoken supporter of Apartheid. Referred to Nobel prize winner Desmond Tutu as a phony.

2. Was an outspoken segregationist referring to Civil Rights Act as "Civil Wrongs Act".

"If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
-Jerry Falwell 1958


3. Blamed Lesbians and Liberals for 9-11.

4. Described to the anti-Christ as a Jewish man.

5. Notorious Homophobe.

A nasty, racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, Far-right Christian-Taliban Radical.

Good Riddance.
Can't say I liked Gerry Falwell, nor most of his enemies, but in this prissy shrieking rant, I'm surprised #5 didn't appear at #1.
May 17th, 2007  
senojekips
 
 
Sounds like the sort of person I would like my kids to grow up like, - NOT.
 


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