japanese writer suggests few ways to defend aginist china - Page 3




 
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May 2nd, 2005  
Arclight
 
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The fact that we're even having to discuss this burns my butt big time. If Truman had allowed MacArthur to exercise his command of military strategy, communism would have been driven out of China by the point of a gun back in the 1950's.
By attacking China on its mainland through MacArthur's strategy, I figure that would risk war with the Soviet Union as well.

Could be. But if we, the free world, had gone to war with China, Russia, and North Korea, how many millions would have not been subjected to ruthless Communitst purges? It would have been the ultimate containment. Vietnam would not have occured... and the list goes on and on.
That is only if we could win. The Soviets could put up a good fight in Europe and the Chinese in Asia.
Yeah, but we had nukes. The soviets did too, thanks to the Rosenbergs... but we'd have wiped them out. The U.N. may actually have been useful back then - likely, it would have supported a massive effort to stop China and Company.
The United States would not have resorted to using nuclear warheads while the Soviets held the same capabilities. The thought of a major US city being flattened in a mere few seconds, let alone being attacked on home territory would be enough to deter such actions.
May 2nd, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
lol many of you think im a commie..


that is cool, nothing wrong with being called that, but how can i be one when my ideas are capatalist and i have always believed in the capatalist system


about the united-statesvs china or unitedstates allies with china

at this moment china and united states have a mutual relationship, each country is somewhat depended on each other. Americans earning alot of money while chinese have employment and development, alls well

lol, if china takes back taiwan, id like to see if americans have the guts to defend the rebels
May 2nd, 2005  
Arclight
 
I don't forsee the Chinese taking back Taiwan any time soon. Any attack on Taiwan by the Chinese would probably cause economic sanctions and China would not want that at all.
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May 2nd, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
Creating economic sanctions against China would not occur because already millions of foreign investors are investing in China. If a trade bloc was to occur, the global economy would surely go through a very very turbulent time. This is known as Tit for tat policies, whose actions are to be effected by another.

I've been reading several articles of Taiwan's KMT Cheif Lein Chan visiting the mainland which made both sides to reconsider for peace talks again. There is a high hopes for a peaceful settlement between the two parties.

Report: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8357995
May 2nd, 2005  
Big_Z
 
 
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lol, if china takes back taiwan, id like to see if americans have the guts to defend the rebels
Tell that to the 7th fleet who is lurking off the coast of China, I think its the other way around bud.
May 2nd, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
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lol, if china takes back taiwan, id like to see if americans have the guts to defend the rebels
Tell that to the 7th fleet who is lurking off the coast of China, I think its the other way around bud.
Currently, China does not have the full capability nor fully ready to successfully repel the 7th Fleet while holding Taiwan. But by 2030, I am quite sure the 7th Fleet would face a serious challenge if a conflict scenerio between China and the US would occur. It would result in a naval battle the likes we have never seen since World War II.

Challenging against China militarily is not a wise thing to do and I'm quite sure the Pentagon is fully aware of that.
May 2nd, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Creating economic sanctions against China would not occur because already millions of foreign investors are investing in China. If a trade bloc was to occur, the global economy would surely go through a very very turbulent time. This is known as Tit for tat policies, whose actions are to be effected by another.

I've been reading several articles of Taiwan's KMT Cheif Lein Chan visiting the mainland which made both sides to reconsider for peace talks again. There is a high hopes for a peaceful settlement between the two parties.

Report: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8357995
Sanctions happened before and they can happen again. It seems unlikely that the entire West is ready to jump into a fight with China, however an invasion of Taiwan would tend to confirm many nations fears about China: that it is still a dangerous aggressor nation. China has a lot more to lose that anyone else. Reputation and their booming market economy. Don't be so quick to discount the idea of sanctions being used. Don't be too quick to assume that sanctions is the worst that can happen, though it probably is if there is absolutely no cause for worry of further Chinese aggression.

Millions invested by Westerners and others .... well those parties knew that they were investing in a potential bust. They knew in advance that if relations between their nations and China went to hell in a hand basket, they'd probably lose everything they invested. All investors who were not aware of the small chance of losing everything on the investing into China are incredibly naive (if they even exist ... doubty it).

Make no mistake, if its Japan that is being attacked, every Western power goes to war with China over it. That is one thing that is quite clear I should hope.
May 2nd, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
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All investors who were not aware of the small chance of losing everything on the investing into China are incredibly naive (if they even exist ... doubty it).
Yes there are many firms who do this. Some firms transfer most of their operations to these locations. If they were to lose all of this....well....it would be a huge loss which most firms don't want to see.
May 2nd, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Right, they knew that they stood to make a ton of money if everything went well. That's how you rapidly grow your business: Taking risks. Still, the people with all the money tied up in China are not in a position to stop their governments from imposing sanctions, and their government leaders would look very corrupt if there was any chance of the press coming out with "Prime Minister Bob turns a blind eye to Taiwan invasion to feed his greed for illegal bribes."

Ultimately you are correct in the statement that it would be a huge loss in trade for everyone. But it just so happens that the USA and her allies are not motivated only by money. There is also the part where self interest and general ethics dictate that keeping China in check if and when she turns aggressive is a good idea. Doing nothing could be seen as completely stupid.
May 2nd, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
A military blockade seems to be the only reasonable option for a response if anything should happen although I do not agree the idea of an Economic Sanction. An Economic Sanction would not simply stop China. Thus it is very difficult to impose one as well.