Originally Posted by VDKMS

This tread is about the clip "Israeli terrorism - the first minutes of Gaza attack" not about a T-shirt that some soldiers ordered. I am still waiting what you think what happend in that clip.

What happened?... they wore the shirts, even the IDF claimed that the act was tasteless,... in their usual ex facto denial of responsibility. Again for the second or third tme it was posted to demonstrate the mentality of IDF soldiers.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

You mean fake corroborative reports, because you have posted lots of them. Leaving out sentences, changing words even write totally invented parts.

Yes,.. we all realise that the Red Cross and agencies like Medecins Sans Frontieres are all liars whereas your Facts backed by the Zionist propaganda mill, are all quite correct. You are an idiot.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

Professional forces (like Nato, US, Israel and others) doe not plan all those missions to kill a unknown civilian. At worst they are mistakes. You, as a former member of the Australian Navy should know that.

The Royal Australian Navy has never had a policy of harassing, beating and murdering innocent women and children, backed by a rogue state who at worst turns a blind eye to these things and at best justifies them (probably orders them), so there's absolutely no comparison.

You are nearly correct, professional forces shouldn't plan these things, but history shows that they do and the IDF s record is among the worst in this regard. Then again, many would not regard them as a "professional" force anyway, more like the hired killers of a third world banana republic. So many "accidents" and "misunderstandings",.... like the head shot babies and small children posted several days ago,... ??? Surely the most "misunderstood" and "accident" prone force in the world.

Originally Posted by senojekips

What happened?... they wore the shirts, even the IDF claimed that the act was tasteless,... in their usual ex facto denial of responsibility. Again for the second or third tme it was posted to demonstrate the mentality of IDF soldiers.

You are evading my question. Again you are beating around the bush. Is it so diffucult to say what could have happend in the first clip, without ridiculous comments?

Yes,.. we all realise that the Red Cross and agencies like Medecins Sans Frontieres are all liars whereas your Facts backed by the Zionist propaganda mill, are all quite correct. You are an idiot.

Again an evading action by you. You know very well what I am talking about but if the answer doesn't suit you, you change to something else.

The Royal Australian Navy has never had a policy of harassing, beating and murdering innocent women and children, backed by a rogue state who at worst turns a blind eye to these things and at best justifies them (probably orders them), so there's absolutely no comparison.

Another evading tactic and the usual rethoric.

You are nearly correct, professional forces shouldn't plan these things, but history shows that they do and the IDF s record is among the worst in this regard. Then again, many would not regard them as a "professional" force anyway, more like the hired killers of a third world banana republic. So many "accidents" and "misunderstandings",.... like the head shot babies and small children posted several days ago,... ??? Surely the most "misunderstood" and "accident" prone force in the world.

You are totally unaware of the difficulties of urban combat. You surely must admire the parades of the Palestinian militants of Hamas and others, proudly wearing their black uniforms. But when it's time to fight those "brave" men wear civilian clothes (violation of 1949 Geneva Conventions). For the soldier in uniform it is impossible to distinguish between foe or civilian until it might be to late. So the loss of civilian life has more to do with the cowardly fighting tactics of the Islamists than with the IDF.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

You are evading my question. Again you are beating around the bush. Is it so diffucult to say what could have happend in the first clip, without ridiculous comments?



Again an evading action by you. You know very well what I am talking about but if the answer doesn't suit you, you change to something else.



Another evading tactic and the usual rethoric.



You are totally unaware of the difficulties of urban combat. You surely must admire the parades of the Palestinian militants of Hamas and others, proudly wearing their black uniforms. But when it's time to fight those "brave" men wear civilian clothes (violation of 1949 Geneva Conventions). For the soldier in uniform it is impossible to distinguish between foe or civilian until it might be to late. So the loss of civilian life has more to do with the cowardly fighting tactics of the Islamists than with the IDF.

When I was in the army, we trained for urban terrain, defend and to assault an apt building. This building was to be replaced with a newer one so that gave us a good opportunity to be "violent". I was thinking during this week, what would happen if civilians were mixed between us (defending part and assaulting part) They would probably die or be seriously wounded. I never walked into a room without trowing in a hand grenade first, I if I had walked in to a room without that. Probably I had been killed/wounded or one of the squad members had been killed/wounded. To use flashbangs with the extreme short distance inside an apt building, you know where the door is, even if you cannot see it for few sec

In Gaza, when the civilians had nowhere to go, they cannot escape and evacuate the area. They were in for a hard time.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

You are evading my question. Again you are beating around the bush. Is it so diffucult to say what could have happend in the first clip, without ridiculous comments?

Again an evading action by you. You know very well what I am talking about but if the answer doesn't suit you, you change to something else.

Another evading tactic and the usual rethoric.

You are totally unaware of the difficulties of urban combat. You surely must admire the parades of the Palestinian militants of Hamas and others, proudly wearing their black uniforms. But when it's time to fight those "brave" men wear civilian clothes (violation of 1949 Geneva Conventions). For the soldier in uniform it is impossible to distinguish between foe or civilian until it might be to late. So the loss of civilian life has more to do with the cowardly fighting tactics of the Islamists than with the IDF.

Your ludicrously stupid statements, got honest answers, answers that you don't like because they are both 100% true and undeniable. (On second thoughts I should withdraw that, as we have seen in the past,... you can just deny anything that does not suit you)

It must be a real bastard to be faced with reality that you can't just lie your way out of.

We have already stated that resistance fighters don't fight in "uniform" they are civilians, civilians who would rather be operating their businesses, or tilling their fields except for the fact that a group of murdering Europeans have flooded in and occupied their land giving them no other option.

What about the cowardly settlers who are both armed and use their weapons to harass Palestinians and steal their land and posessions, all of which is allowed by the Israeli government?
Do you know which group of "cowardly fighters" sang this song?

Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from [our] ranks,

Can you two calm down, please? So we can have a constructive discussion. You will never convince the other to change side, why even bother to try to change another person's opinion? If we can agree the both sides in this conflict have committed atrocties. The balance of military power is not equal between the fighting parties.

Hey! Canada has a long honorable history of peacekeeping missions. I think we need Canada here

Ahh Ghostrider, the canucks have stuffed up as well in the peacekeeping role.
Their commando reg/airborne beat to death some African kid some years ago.
Quite the political bomb when it went off!

Originally Posted by Ghostrider

Can you two calm down, please? So we can have a constructive discussion. You will never convince the other to change side, why even bother to try to change another person's opinion?

I'll make my decision on that when I see what stupid comment our Zionist puppet comes up with.

You never agreed with me either, but I seem to remember that I had no problems with your views,...

Originally Posted by Ghostrider

Can you two calm down, please? So we can have a constructive discussion. You will never convince the other to change side, why even bother to try to change another person's opinion? If we can agree the both sides in this conflict have committed atrocties. The balance of military power is not equal between the fighting parties.

Hey! Canada has a long honorable history of peacekeeping missions. I think we need Canada here

I know I can't convince him but I can expose his twisted comments and bending of the truth.

We Belgians don't have good memories of peace missions headed by a Canadian General. (Rwanda)

Originally Posted by VDKMS

I know I can't convince him but I can expose his twisted comments and bending of the truth.

We Belgians don't have good memories of peace missions headed by a Canadian General. (Rwanda)

Yes, I remember, I tried to be funny, with a minor success. In my point of view, the problem (Israel/Palestine/the area) we need to change focus from what happened in the past, we can learn from the past (hopefully, it does not happen so often) and use the knowledge to come up with comprehensive solutions/suggestions. It will never work with an approach of you did! No you did! Things like that are not so constructive. I am extremely critical toward Israel sometimes and likewise I am extremely critical toward the Palestinians sometimes. The Flotilla to Gaza could have been handled differently. However, I am not critical toward the IDF soldiers deployed on the ships, I am critical toward the people that placed them there

Originally Posted by senojekips

We have already stated that resistance fighters don't fight in "uniform" they are civilians, civilians who would rather be operating their businesses, or tilling their fields except for the fact that a group of murdering Europeans have flooded in and occupied their land giving them no other option.

A Palestinian poll (you know it because I posted it) showed that only 5,5% support your case of using violence against Israel.

Civilians are improving their businesses as the growth in GDP in the West Bank and Gaza shows. When those 5,5% stop their violence then it would be even better for the economy. Read this : Economy of the Palestinian territories

Excerpt : "Tourism to Bethlehem, which had doubled to 1 million in 2008, rose to nearly 1.5 million in 2009. New car imports increased by 44 percent. New shopping malls opened in Jenin and Nablus. As an outcome of the Palestine Investment Conference, Palestinian developers are planning to build the first modern Palestinian city, Rawabi.
In 2010, Ramallah was described as a hub of the economic activity thanks to the improved security situation, successful battle against corruption and large consumer base."

Your "resistance fighters" are endangering the prosperity outlook for the Palestinian people as well as their lives.