IRAN, IRAK and the US position.




 
--
Boots
 
February 16th, 2005  
THE IRANIAN
 

Topic: IRAN, IRAK and the US position.


Since a few weeks, Ms Rice promises a surgical attack on Iran's nuclear sites (or supposed to be so), and Mr Bush says he dreams of democracy in the Middle-East (I have a dream... ).

But facts appear to be really far from that reality.

So now what? ... a few days ago, Iraki people elected the chiia Ayatollah Sistani's coalition, mostly composed with guys who lived in Iran (like Mr Abdel-Aziz Hackim). Ready for The Islamic Republic of Irak, thanks Mr Bush...

Then the nuclear question in Iran: first, we have to remember that IAEA inspectors never found any trace of nuclear weapons or nuclear aramament developpement. Only suspicions because of Iran's anti-USA well-known policy. The proposal made by the European alliance (France, GB, Germany) to supply Iran with a light-water central is like asking them to refuse their own power supply sufficiency and buy instead Europe uranium. Nobody would accept such a deal... And when Europe proposes commercial facilities, like the introduction of Iran in the International Commerce Chamber, the USA vetoes the UN decisions.

And we won't just speak about the american plans to build pipelines through Irak-Iran-Afghanistan to join China and sell its oil to south-east asia countries. Plans impossible to realize as long as Iran is refusing them.

Concerning an attack on Iran, many american people seem to see it as a possible easy solution to lots of problems... is it really?
First, you have to consider China and Russia uncertain attitutes, as long as they are involved in Iran's nuclear plants constructions. Today China is the first iranian commercial partner and it would not accept attacks on Iran so easily. Then the offensive position of the iranian army with its 5 million ready-to-fight men and its ability to manufacture mass-destruction weapons.
The USA recently announced 1600 deaths in Irak's war, but Irak is a 12 million inhabitants country, with no army since 1991, only the size of half France... what if Bush attacks Iran, with its 72 million inhabitants, 4th the size of France, and its quite modern army?
Tehran announced yesterday thhe beginning of new torpedes production for its sub-marine ships. This to be added to one of the best biochemical weapons production and teh Shahab weapons. And what about Syria, Lebanon and Irak position in case of attacks on Iran (teh leader country for the chiia muslims?).
We are facing a strange America, trying to hide its destabilized position, facing a country which showed its abilities to be the only country in the world not to be scared by the USA (is someone remembering 1981?).

And Bush trying to explain he wants the democracy in Iran? Yeah, so why did America destroy the Irnian democracy of 1956-1960 under the regimeof Mossadegh then? Who will believe America now? Who will believe that its' not the iranian petroleum industry that majkes this country so important to big brother's eyes? Democracy? What about Saudi Arabia? What about Pakistan? 2 of the worst dictatorships in the world, still allies of USA. Who's speaking abourt democracy?

And Ms Rice trying to explain that Iran should not develop nuclear plants as far as nobody's sure of what Iran can do with its enriched uranium... well, why shouldn't Iran have the atom bomb?
When you consider that Israel, with its president Sharon (the ancient General Sharon, responsible of Sabra and Shatila 's genocide) got 200 nuclear weapons, nicely offered by the western countries?
When you consider that North Corea has just declared it possesses the atom bomb, one more in the long list after Pakistan and India...

So now what?....
I thought coming here would give me intelligent answers but I'm still facing with nationalist Americans thinking that the USA got the power to eradicate any country on its pathway, and that GW Bush is the world's saver... what a good joke...
February 16th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
You would do well to adjust your attitude if you are planning on staying on this forum, no country-bashing or flaming will be allowed, it is not only possible to do so, but it is also required that while on these forums you present your views in a mature and respectful manner. Nothing is added to your argument by including insults.


Report to the Welcoming center immediately and post an introduction.
February 16th, 2005  
CO5060.20
 
Keep in mind that I respect your opinion and that I ask that you respect ours.

Okay first off, you say American's are a bunch of nationalists with out the capability of choosing our own paths (well implied by your ignorant comments). Well my friend, we are the ones who mastered the art of free speech and individuality so do not go ranting about how we are all bias towards the United States stand point on foreign policy. I do not blame you, being from France, with little knowledge of how our society operates, but if you want to disagree with us, disagree respectfully.

Secondly, the Honorable George W. Bush is a very sensible man. He is no Sadaam, Castro, Mussolini, or Hitler. He does not believe in genocide, hence he would not send the men and women under his command to fight for oil. So I do believe that your claim of the United States fighting the war in IraQ for oil is quite foolish (this is only my opinion).

Third, I do believe you drastically under estimate the United States military. They were the ones who bailed out the French if I recall during WW2, defeated Facism, dealt a severe blow to Communism, freed a nation of millions, and all without the help of some of her so called "allies". I believe it was the Honorable Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense (USA) who said that "Going to war without France is like going Deer hunting without your accordion" (Rumsfeld). The United States military has proven itself time and time again, defeating the worlds most powerful army in the late 17 hundreds with little more then farmers and stable boys. It has faught more then 14 wars in its short 229 year histroy and has motified the way it operates accordingly. The United States military posesses the worlds most advanced equiptment, therefore compensating for its lack of numbers (which by most standards is not valid because few countries posess more members).

You say you want intelligent answers but if you are going to make excuses like "Oh hes just being a nationlist" when you do not like the answer, don't ask.
--
Boots
February 16th, 2005  
THE IRANIAN
 
Did I add insults? I am just pointing some lacks of the idealist amercian system.

Here in France, we got some different points of view. What I read in some threads here is much more insulting for the people of many countries in the world than what I tried to show. It seems that you consider many 3rd world inhabitants like savages living in terrorist countries, and I read in some lines that "America should bring them back to Stone Age"... yes, but for the moment, it's the US army that produces half the world weapons and without this industry, there would be less deaths I think.

I was expecting a reaction as I was perfectly aware that what you are tought is very far from the reality. Try not to be addicted to FOX NEWS, stop being the slave of a "ready to go" brain-system supplied by your government. Try to learn the respect of other countries, which were there a long time before America's creation. That's my message. Sorry if you cannot stand it guys.
February 16th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
wow...easy, u better avoid generalization as u just see someone talking loud and u think all ppl in this country talk super loud...that is wrong...


in every country, there are nationalists, moderatists, or traitors........u just cannot generalize them
February 16th, 2005  
CO5060.20
 
Oh good call, I can see you know a lot about earning respect. To earn ones respect it means giving respect. I could go off for years ranting on about the shortcomings of the French but you know what, I respect your opinion. I really do and I am glad that you are forming an opinion. While I disagree with you whole-heartedly and am offended by your comments, I respect what you said. Good job brother, here in America, we believe in justice, whether it be corrective or commendatory and by gosh, some day you will recieve yours respectively.
February 16th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Whether you agree or disagree here try having any disagreement in Iran and see what it gets you.
February 16th, 2005  
THE IRANIAN
 
... ya really think that you sent your guys in Irak to solve democracy problems? Try to explain me why you did not attack China then? Do you really think that your army would have attacked Irak if the USA were not expecting to obtain something there?

Ya know, I have the chance to speak 4 languages and that permits me to compare the news on diffrent satellite TVs.

I'm really out of laugghs sometimes when I hear about Al Qaeda relations with Saddam or Iran...

Al Qaeda is composed with Wahabit muslims, very close to some Saudi Arabia's sheikhs, ennemies of Saddam. And all those people are sunni muslims ennemies of Iran's chiia muslims. But that seems to be forgotten by many american TV channels. Only some rare films like Fahrenheit 911 have tried to expose you the truth... but are you ready to open your eyes?
February 16th, 2005  
CO5060.20
 
Are you sure it is not us right-wing gas guzzeling, hillbilly, war mungerers who have opened our eyes and see no need to create ignorant, wanna-be Stalinist propoganda videos such as Farenheight 9/11? Are we so caught up in yellow journalism that we have lost all site of the values layed down by OUR founding fathers? Actions speak louder then words and 9/11 just happened to be the fire under our butts to get us moving. It amuses me that you honestly believe we have not considered those things, that we have not used our highly educated analysts who went to college for years and years and years to help create foreign policy... Food for thought brother. Food for thought...
February 16th, 2005  
THE IRANIAN
 
I see you were very shocked when I talked about "american nationalists"... What should I have said reading all the contempt in some replies in this forum. Don't be afraid, I got 2 american uncles and I do not generalize. I may send unusual messages, but I do not belong to any army. My only motivation is speaking about facts that you don't hear about over there, 'cause if it was so, none of your guys would go to die in Irak any more.

Maybe I will be like the tornado, but it's better than doing like many people in the world who consider you as Bush's toys and don't say nothing but "pfff ... un jour ils vont se casser la gueule... ils vont rien comprendre..." ("pfff... one day they'll fall and won't even understand how...").