Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists
godofthunder9010
Active member
That has always been my view of what the Koran/Quran says. The problem with circumstances like this one is pretty simple: The same people who wholly advocate the use of the Koran as a template for government, rule and law tend to run to some very unequal interpretations with regard to women (among other things.)TBA_PAKI said:
For one thing, the Koran should be interpretted based upon the social norms at the time it was written. For instance, the rules regarding polygamy being limitted to 4 wives and the explicit requirement that the husband of multiple wives absolutely must provide for and care for all wives he takes. <-- In a modern context that seems completely sexist and bigotted. But the social norm prior to Mohammed was limitless wives and no rules. Many men never bothered to care for their wives and would have dozens of them. Mohammed's guidelines on polygamy actually struck a blow for the rights of women within that day's culture.
One of the things that the adherents of "Rule of Law by the Holy Koran" never learn is the very lesson that Europe learned well over a hundred years ago: Rule by religion virtually always leads to bad things. The Islamic World stands in horror of the attrocities that sprung from the Crusades. The Crusades were a direct result of "Rule By Religion." The Jihads were often no better and were founded by the same ideology. Both Islam and Christianity have their own unforgivable Genocides and both were mostly justified on the basis of religious bigotry being instituted as the rule of law: The Jewish Holocaust and the less remembered Armenian Holocaust.
I've yet to hear of a case where something good was accomplished by "Rule of Law by Religion" that wouldn't have been accomplished just fine without it. That said, religion certainly has its place in society. Its prevalence leads people to lead better lives and uphold better morals.
FULLMETALJACKET
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I'll Say.
Nachos
Banned
I have a question..and I don't mean this in a flaming way.. but if the Quran says that both men and women are equal...why to women have to walk around all covered up? I've never found out an answer to that question. It would interesting to know.TBA_PAKI said:
Now as for the girl.. I really think its one of the things that westerners might never understand about their laws. Its really unfortunate for that girl to have been born there. She unfortunately has no chance for life ..if she let that guy rape her she'd have to marry him, right? I heard of happening in a unrelated case.
Understand I'm not exactly sure. I've not read the Quran. Nor am I well versed in Iran laws. I'm just asking questions to gain a new insight, and more knowledge.
Peace,
Nachos
Italian Guy
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No, no, I simply don't agree. What I read in the Koran is total discrimination of Jews and infidels and a definite submission for women who are subject to men. I really do. This is not a thread on the Koran though, and I won't be charged with hijacking this thread.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Italian Guy said:
Yes but then the bible is hardly all love and picnic's either is it.
Both of these books were pretty much written by who believed that they had the only "true" religion the only real difference is that much of the west has managed to reduce the influence of radical interpretation in its politics and every day life.
I would suggest that as others have suggested it is mans interpretation of the koran/bible that has been the problem throughout history and not the intent of the text's themselves.
Isn't this the same with the bible, which I did read.
1) the Jews are blamed for cruxifying Jezus and the Romans used this to feed them to the lions in Rome.
2) The infideld are murdered one more then one occasion and that is okay because they don't believe in God.
3) How much more definate can you get by saying the the woman is made from the rib of a man. And man is built to rule the earth and every living creature on it.
They have to walk covered because this is culturally determined. The women in Indonesia are mostly muslim, but many walk uncovered. As did many Iranian and Afghan women before extremist took over. In some West African nations women are "circumsized" just like men, in the name of Islam. But that too is very regionally bound..... just like culture.
Italian Guy
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Ted, this is NOT a thread on the Koran or the Bible. I could get deeper and come up with all the single passages of the Koran stating the submission of women and the total discrimination of the Jews.
But:
1. Saying the Bible is as intolerant as I say the Koran is doesn't do a good service to the latter.
2. The Bible does have a New Testament, the Koran does not.
But yes I agree that interpretation has a crucial importance, of course. I just said the Koran, as it was written and as you read it, is a violent and intolerant book.
But:
1. Saying the Bible is as intolerant as I say the Koran is doesn't do a good service to the latter.
2. The Bible does have a New Testament, the Koran does not.
But yes I agree that interpretation has a crucial importance, of course. I just said the Koran, as it was written and as you read it, is a violent and intolerant book.
Damien435
Active member
Random stuff about the Crusades.
Christian women wore veils.
Muslim women enjoyed more rights than they have today (in some countries like Iran and the former Talibani rule Afghanistan.)
Muslims were infidels.
The Crusades were fought as much for economic reasons as religious. (break the Muslim monopoly on the spice trade with China.)
About Jesus.
Judaism, Christianity and Muslim all agree that Jesus exist, just disagree on his importance.
Pontius Pilate(sp?) had Jesus crucified because he believed the Jews in Palestine would rebel if he did not act.
About the Topic.
I accused Iran of being a backward society earlier, this was a mistake on my part. I should have said "The Iranian government and all those who continue to cooperate with said government are backwards."
I am sorry.
Christian women wore veils.
Muslim women enjoyed more rights than they have today (in some countries like Iran and the former Talibani rule Afghanistan.)
Muslims were infidels.
The Crusades were fought as much for economic reasons as religious. (break the Muslim monopoly on the spice trade with China.)
About Jesus.
Judaism, Christianity and Muslim all agree that Jesus exist, just disagree on his importance.
Pontius Pilate(sp?) had Jesus crucified because he believed the Jews in Palestine would rebel if he did not act.
About the Topic.
I accused Iran of being a backward society earlier, this was a mistake on my part. I should have said "The Iranian government and all those who continue to cooperate with said government are backwards."
I am sorry.
SwordFish_13
Active member
Hi,
I second that .......... It's not the religion it's the Followers of the religion that have become Intolarent .......... Both Islam and Chiristianity Believe Pretty Much the same thing .
Peace
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MontyB said:
I second that .......... It's not the religion it's the Followers of the religion that have become Intolarent .......... Both Islam and Chiristianity Believe Pretty Much the same thing .
Peace
-=SF_13=-
But isn't the entire Sharia an endless string of horrible punishment after another.
Nick something, cut of your hand. Commit adultry get executed. The list is endless. But still people adhere to them and claim the these kinds of punishments work (hint hint). But I know to little about the Islam to know if the Sharia uses the Koran as legitimate fundament.
Nick something, cut of your hand. Commit adultry get executed. The list is endless. But still people adhere to them and claim the these kinds of punishments work (hint hint). But I know to little about the Islam to know if the Sharia uses the Koran as legitimate fundament.
Mohmar Deathstrike
Banned
major liability said:
What about Commie-Nazis?
Nachos
Banned
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That has been around for quite a while I must agree with you there.
