I think this Alawi bloke the US have appointed seems a bit dodgy. Do our American friends have much information about his history?

I'm sure they do, but whatever it is with him they're hushing it up.

If only someone could tell me about his good points. Our Prime Minister (John Howard) is rapped in Alawi!!!

The Americans must have amazing confidence in him considering some of the things in his past I have heard about. At least he should be better than Saddam.

What ever happened to Chalabi?

As for the forthcoming election somewhere in the future, I would hate to be one of the poor Iraqis who have the job of updating the electoral roll particularly around Faludja.

Originally Posted by sherman105

Hmmm:

*Saddam was a tirant that killed and tortured his own people.
*Saddam supported terrorists around the world.
*Saddam attacked countrys with no provocation what so ever.
*Saddam used WMD against his enemys twice.
*Saddam was one of the biggest destabalisers in the area.
*Saddam had plans to expan westwards into Jordan and Israel.


Enough of a reason? It is hard to find a case where the good of the world and the intrests of the USA come togather so well. It dosent matter if oil was a part of it. The main thing is that Saddam is gone.

saddam killed thousands a year, and another 60,000 a year starved under him,

he supported/funded/hid/trained terrorist. i think thats reason enough for war! and we cant defeat terrorism with goverments like saddams in power.

Originally Posted by aussiejohn

If only someone could tell me about his good points. Our Prime Minister (John Howard) is rapped in Alawi!!!

The Americans must have amazing confidence in him considering some of the things in his past I have heard about. At least he should be better than Saddam.

What ever happened to Chalabi?

As for the forthcoming election somewhere in the future, I would hate to be one of the poor Iraqis who have the job of updating the electoral roll particularly around Faludja.

lol, sorry, I misread your post, I thought you meant the American Governmt and whats really going on with him lol

Saddam killed tens of thousands, Saddam constantly disrupted the weapons inspectors, Saddam constantly shot at American and British over the no fly zone, Saddam gased his enemies AND his own people. I dont seem to recall seeing this 24/7 on the tv like I do the naked Iraqis (best I recall they are alive) The media has turned into a complete farce. Who needs depressants when you have cnn? Hell, who needs spies when you have Geraldo? Something I noticed in the newspaper the other day pissed me off big time. A headline that read "9/11 commission doesnt know who to blame" I do, George Bush didnt fly the planes into the WTC. Neither did Rumsfeld. Cant seem to recall Condi being on one either. Yet people want to blame them? Now we have an argument over "was the Iraqi war justified". Damn skippy. The same UN resolution that ended Desert Storm stated that Iraq would submit to inspections to verify that he had disarmed the WMD's that he had used before so the guy aint shy about using them. The moment he kicked the inspectors out of Iraq was the moment we should have went in. I mean come on people, JEEZ! The stupid son of a....you know what broke the resolutions time and time again while the UN sat around on its thumbs deciding on who owed them money. Now the UN in my opinion has split the world on Iraq because not only have they let Saddam flex what little bit of muscles he could muster, they hauled arse out of Iraq after they were attacked. If they were attacked and they did nothing....what should that tell you? These people need some friggin help here to calm the chaos.

Originally Posted by soldierzhonor

Saddam killed tens of thousands, Saddam constantly disrupted the weapons inspectors, Saddam constantly shot at American and British over the no fly zone, Saddam gased his enemies AND his own people. I dont seem to recall seeing this 24/7 on the tv like I do the naked Iraqis (best I recall they are alive) The media has turned into a complete farce. Who needs depressants when you have cnn? Hell, who needs spies when you have Geraldo? Something I noticed in the newspaper the other day pissed me off big time. A headline that read "9/11 commission doesnt know who to blame" I do, George Bush didnt fly the planes into the WTC. Neither did Rumsfeld. Cant seem to recall Condi being on one either. Yet people want to blame them? Now we have an argument over "was the Iraqi war justified". Damn skippy. The same UN resolution that ended Desert Storm stated that Iraq would submit to inspections to verify that he had disarmed the WMD's that he had used before so the guy aint shy about using them. The moment he kicked the inspectors out of Iraq was the moment we should have went in. I mean come on people, JEEZ! The stupid son of a....you know what broke the resolutions time and time again while the UN sat around on its thumbs deciding on who owed them money. Now the UN in my opinion has split the world on Iraq because not only have they let Saddam flex what little bit of muscles he could muster, they hauled arse out of Iraq after they were attacked. If they were attacked and they did nothing....what should that tell you? These people need some friggin help here to calm the chaos.

Yes, Saddam certainly needed his bottom kicked and the Iraqis deserve better.

Still having trouble seeing a strong connection between 9/11 and Saddam though. Weren't they mostly Saudis who did it?

Condi Rice and Colin Powell didn't consider Saddam a serious threat to the US in early 2001.

The problem is him supporting terror orgs around the world. He financed familys of suicied bombers...

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

The problem is him supporting terror orgs around the world. He financed familys of suicied bombers...

Yes, he did reward families of Palestinian bombers financially. So does this mean he had close links with Al Queda?

I believe Osama and Saddam didn't really get on.

I think you got conned by your Government. So did Australians by ours.

Anyway, we have to win the peace now. Thats a lot harder than winning the war (and what a mis-match that was).

I must say thank you to those who have served in Iraq , and those who are going to serve in Iraq(I tried but they told me I was too old at 37 ). I will come out and say that I am 100% conservative , tory , republican , CDU or whatever other party conservatism stands for in another land. I believe the USA started the action of 'policeman to the world' back in the days of Woodrow Wilson , it has been that way since. Our brothers in England , and Australia have stood with us always and are the USA's greatest allies. The war in Iraq was not only justified , but necessary. Bush , in his wisdom , has chosen to take this war to the land of the terrorists rather than have them bring it to us. For those Americans who opposed the war in Iraq , take a look at the facts ...there has been NO ATTACK on US soil since we began military operations after 9/11. Whilst it be sad that 1000 of our brethren have lost their lives in that Sh*th*le , one cannot argue that the war has been anything other than a success by any yardstick you choose to measure it with. I would refer to the post early in the thread which referred to the similar situation encountered may in the early 20th century....I believe the US General was none other than 'Blacjack' Pershing. The way Pershing dealt with the muslim extremist attacks on his men (at least as far as I can remember of the incident) was to capture a small band of them. Line them up in a row. Slaughter a pig in front of them dip the tips of their rounds in the blood of the swine....lock , load and shoot all but one who be allowed to witness his extremist muslim brethren buried with pig entrails strewn about their bodies , then the one was allowed to escape and tell of what he saw....the uprisings ceased. My moral of the story(which I probably butchered abit ) , is that some people only respect peace through superior firepower.