An interesting Obama email

[BritinBritain]

I was sent this rather intersting email.


The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade in 2000. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.



To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have.



We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother.



The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded.



He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely would say more. She did not have to.



A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it? She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.



Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and fifty percent of America reacts like nine-year-olds. They want ice cream. The other fifty percent know they're going to have to feed the cow.

 

[senojekips]

It's hell of a lot cheaper and a whole lot more pleasant to feed a cow, than a War machine.

Perhaps the class are aware of this.

 

[A Can of Man]

What Obama does with the war is yet to be seen and I'm sure is the center of a lot of people's attention. It would be THE center had it not been for the financial crisis.

 

[BritinBritain]

It appears Obama used the same tactics as used by the ANC in South Africa during the run up to the 1994 elections. Promised the earth, free homes, free health care, free education, jobs and so on. Not once did they reveal how all of this was going to be paid for, quite frankly they couldn't. Today after 14 years in power, the ANC have split into two factions because their supporters were fed up with the lies, excuses and political waffling. Things are going to get very interesting in South Africa next year when the next elections are due.


To get back to Obama, like the ANC, how is he going to pay for all the promises he made? I'd be interested to know and can't wait to see how he performs.

 

[The Other Guy]

Perhaps the class was aware that Jamie's speech had nothing to do with what he was going to do and was more about what his opponent wasn't going to do.

 

[Ted]

It appears Obama used the same tactics as used by the ANC in South Africa during the run up to the 1994 elections. Promised the earth, free homes, free health care, free education, jobs and so on. Not once did they reveal how all of this was going to be paid for, quite frankly they couldn't.

The same goes for the Republicans. They promised a whole lot too and wanted to save the economy by pumping billions of dollars into it. How? By lowering taxes. This left me confused; how does a goverment pay so much, yet lower their income.....

 

[5.56X45mm]

Obama wants to pull out of Iraq and "Americanize" Afghanistan. He wants to pull combat forces out of one theater of operations and have our allies in another theater leave. Obama has called our NATO/ISAF Allies in Afghanistan reluctant.

Last time I checked, you don't call Allies that are currently serving in a Theater of Operations "reluctant".

The US is able to fight a war on two fronts because of our allied support in both Theaters.

Clinton slashed our forces by 48% and Obama wants to do so by another 30%. According to the Democrats we're already spread to thin. WTF do you think caused that? By going to war or by slashing our forces.

I have been speaking to many fellow service members and they've been telling me that they're not going to reup under a Obama regime.

Obama has no clue on what do to with the ecomony. I can't understand how trickle up economic work. How is the poor going to give the middle class jobs? Under Obama they're going to want to spend a ton of our money to bail out faling companies.

LET THE MARKET FAIL! When companies go under, the good ones step up, buy them out and fill the gap. Hell, Unions are the reasons why the Big 3 American Car Companies are going under.

 

[The Other Guy]

Obama wants to pull out of Iraq and "Americanize" Afghanistan. He wants to pull combat forces out of one theater of operations and have our allies in another theater leave. Obama has called our NATO/ISAF Allies in Afghanistan reluctant.

Last time I checked, you don't call Allies that are currently serving in a Theater of Operations "reluctant".

The US is able to fight a war on two fronts because of our allied support in both Theaters.

Clinton slashed our forces by 48% and Obama wants to do so by another 30%. According to the Democrats we're already spread to thin. WTF do you think caused that? By going to war or by slashing our forces.

I have been speaking to many fellow service members and they've been telling me that they're not going to reup under a Obama regime.

Obama has no clue on what do to with the ecomony. I can't understand how trickle up economic work. How is the poor going to give the middle class jobs? Under Obama they're going to want to spend a ton of our money to bail out faling companies.

LET THE MARKET FAIL! When companies go under, the good ones step up, buy them out and fill the gap. Hell, Unions are the reasons why the Big 3 American Car Companies are going under.

Calling our allies reluctant? Still better than the "Coalition of the Willing."

Maybe if we weren't IN so many wars at once we wouldn't be spread so thin! And by the way, any facts to back this up?

We cannot afford to let the market fail. The only reason the market IS failing is because of all of the deregulation led the man who was McCain's financial advisor! And secondly, Obama is not only giving to the poor. He is giving to the middle class. Unless you consider anyone who makes under $250,000 a year poor. As for trickle down policy I have yet to see the good in it so I'm certainly open to other ideas.

If the Big 3 fall, my Grandfather loses his pension. If it were not for unions he would not have said pension. If it were not for Unions this country would be no better of place than China, Vietnam, Mexico, Indonesia, or any other sweatshop-filled hellhole on this Earth. The unions are not to blame; rather it would be the government officials who helped these big businesses escape the unions with tax cuts and overseas jobs.

Once again...

"If you don't love it, leave it!"

 

[MontyB]

We cannot afford to let the market fail. The only reason the market IS failing is because of all of the deregulation led the man who was McCain's financial advisor! And secondly, Obama is not only giving to the poor. He is giving to the middle class. Unless you consider anyone who makes under $250,000 a year poor. As for trickle down policy I have yet to see the good in it so I'm certainly open to other ideas.

This is hardly accurate, the market is failing for a number of reasons:
- Inherent greed and stupidity of people, fund managers, investors and the general public.
- Poor financial policies by all aspects and sides (both left and right) of government and the problem is not even limited to the USA it is a world wide issue.

Just to scare you some more I personally think that the current administration has handled the financial crisis extremely well.

If the Big 3 fall, my Grandfather loses his pension. If it were not for unions he would not have said pension. If it were not for Unions this country would be no better of place than China, Vietnam, Mexico, Indonesia, or any other sweatshop-filled hellhole on this Earth. The unions are not to blame; rather it would be the government officials who helped these big businesses escape the unions with tax cuts and overseas jobs.

Once again...

"If you don't love it, leave it!"

This part I agree with.

 

[Rob Henderson]

"Inherent greed and stupidity of people..."


'Nuff said.


PS, the trickle down policy only works when people aren't completely self-absorbed pigs who actually CARE about the welfare of other people... For my opinion, see above quote.

 

[Chief Bones]

TDT of E doesn't work ....

I would love to see those economic experts that work for the GW Bush administration, explain how the "Trickle Down Theory of Economics" works ... so far, it has failed every time someone has used it as the basis of their economic policies. Every time in that past when it has been used, the economic programs have consisted of making the rich richer and the poor poorer. The one consistent fact however, is the fact that the program ends up being paid for by those who can least afford it {the poor and the lower middle class} ...and ... the bill is put off to the fourth or fifth future generation.

The ONLY way that Trickle Down can possibly work, is to put the money into the hands of those who purchase the goods or services ... the ones who actually have the power to spur economic growth {the middle class}. All the rich have done historically, is to put the money into the bank or to invest it in such a way as to increase the value of their holdings ... but ... not help the middle class in any meaningful way.
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During the last eight years of GW Bush's Presidency, the gap between the haves and the have nots has almost doubled. Unemployment and the move towards a temporary employment workforce has increased at a frantic pace.

Unless or until the middle class returns to it's former size and standing, the economy will continue to stagnate and the more and more it will become necessary for government to intervene to keep the market from undergoing through another market crash.
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Whether some people like it or not, 10 million dollars a month being spent on the continuation of a war that most Americans are against, isn't going to help the economy ... nor ... is continuing this expenditure going to spur the Iraqi Government in their efforts to take over the defense or running of the country in an expeditious manner, so American troops can be rotated out of their country.

The continuing policy of not placing some deadlines where Iraq is concerned, is an absolute failure by many experts ... according to them, it might by the necessary spur to get the Iraqi Government to finally resolve the partisan differences of the various factions. Compromise is the name of the game and without it, we are destined to be there indefinitely.....
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[The Other Guy]

This is hardly accurate, the market is failing for a number of reasons:
- Inherent greed and stupidity of people, fund managers, investors and the general public.
- Poor financial policies by all aspects and sides (both left and right) of government and the problem is not even limited to the USA it is a world wide issue.

Just to scare you some more I personally think that the current administration has handled the financial crisis extremely well.

Agreed, however had it not been for the deregulation the stupidity of people would not have caused any issues because such moves as they made would have been illegal.

On the other hand I do agree that the Bush Administration has done a reasonably good job with the box of TNT that blew up in their face.

 

[MontyB]

Agreed, however had it not been for the deregulation the stupidity of people would not have caused any issues because such moves as they made would have been illegal.

On the other hand I do agree that the Bush Administration has done a reasonably good job with the box of TNT that blew up in their face.

I think you are over looking the fact that the world deregulated its financial systems not just the USA and I am pretty sure that it wasn't because George Bush told them to.

 

[The Other Guy]

I think you are over looking the fact that the world deregulated its financial systems not just the USA and I am pretty sure that it wasn't because George Bush told them to.

When did I mention Bush at fault to this? I was thinking more along the lines of Phil Gramm.

 

[Chief Bones]

When did I mention Bush at fault to this? I was thinking more along the lines of Phil Gramm.

TOG ...............
You are starting at the beginning of the chain ... but ... the final link was GW Bush signing the deregulation legislation into law. Lest you forget ... it didn't just happen on it's own .............