If the Me 262 was finished sooner..... - Page 2




 
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February 24th, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by redcoat
If they had been mass produced in 1943 they would have sat around Luftwaffe airfields until the problems with the Jumo 004 had been rectified enough to allow at least some operational use.

While Hitlers bomber order did cause some delay in the mass production of the airframes, it mattered little in the timing of operational debut of the Me 262

http://www.vectorsite.net/avme262.html
In part I agree however had the project been given priority as it should have given the position Germany was in it would have had more effort put into solving these engine problems as well, the problem is that for at least a year the aircraft was worked on more as a clandestine project instead of receiving the time and resources it needed to get off the ground.
March 14th, 2009  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by perseus
Regarding suitable escort aircraft, I cannot imagine the Meteor would have suitable range. Propellor aircraft seem to hit a barrier around 500mph whatever fuel you use due to compressibility effects, and it must be very fuel intensive to push an aircraft to this speed, especially over Germany without a base on the continent. It would have posed a problem for daylight raids and bombing the oilfields in particular.

Once a forward base had been established I suppose conventional fighter aircraft could hover over the airfields waiting of the 262s taking off as they did later in the war.
The Meteor clocking 417 mph at a height of 10,000 feet had a range of 1,000 miles. So perhaps it could have been employed as an escort. However, I have no idea as to its ability as a dog fighter up against FW190's, 109's or indeed 262's.

During the Korean war the Meteor was outclassed by the MIG15, suffering heavy loses. The Meteor was then relegated to the ground attack role.
March 14th, 2009  
perseus
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
In part I agree however had the project been given priority as it should have given the position Germany was in it would have had more effort put into solving these engine problems as well, the problem is that for at least a year the aircraft was worked on more as a clandestine project instead of receiving the time and resources it needed to get off the ground.
Perhaps Hitler was more obsessed with his offensive vengeance weapons, particularly the V2 which sapped essential resources and expertise. In fact every one of these helped the allied war effort more than the German.
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March 16th, 2009  
The Other Guy
 
 
Had it been produced and perfected earlier it would have lengthened the war but it the outcome would have still likely been the same. It would have sped up the creation of more British and American technology and the F-80 would have been rushed into service much faster.
March 16th, 2009  
redcoat
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
The Meteor clocking 417 mph at a height of 10,000 feet had a range of 1,000 miles. So perhaps it could have been employed as an escort. However, I have no idea as to its ability as a dog fighter up against FW190's, 109's or indeed 262's.
The Meteor Mk III, with extended nacelles which was the last mark of the Meteor to see active service in the European war, had a maximum speed of 493 mph, making it the fastest Allied fighter of WW2
March 16th, 2009  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redcoat
The Meteor Mk III, with extended nacelles which was the last mark of the Meteor to see active service in the European war, had a maximum speed of 493 mph, making it the fastest Allied fighter of WW2
The Meteor went through quite a few modifications from the F1 to the F3, then to the F4 in 1947.

The longer nacelles added to the F3 increased its speed by 75MPH even without engine changes.

I remember seeing Meteors at RAF Changi as late as 1967 used at target tugs.
April 5th, 2009  
LeEnfield
 
 
Th Meteor took the world speed record in 1945 a few weeks after the war with a top speed of 612 mph. This was both ways over a flat measured course [no diving allowed] and confirmed with radar. Okay the lines of the Meteor were no so sleek as the 262 but it was a good rugged aircraft with far better engines than the 262. It was not until the later stages of the war was the Meteor sent out to Belgium at the request of the American to help protect their bomber formations from the 262. There was, as far as I know no combat between the two aircraft.
April 11th, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Th Meteor took the world speed record in 1945 a few weeks after the war with a top speed of 612 mph. This was both ways over a flat measured course [no diving allowed] and confirmed with radar. Okay the lines of the Meteor were no so sleek as the 262 but it was a good rugged aircraft with far better engines than the 262. It was not until the later stages of the war was the Meteor sent out to Belgium at the request of the American to help protect their bomber formations from the 262. There was, as far as I know no combat between the two aircraft.
Yes but to be fair had the Germans been allowed to continue development of their jet program they would have had a myriad of jet aircraft in the air by the end of 1945 you just have to look at the aircraft the Horton brothers and Kurt Tank had in development to see that the allies were going to be behind German aircraft development for a good couple of years.
April 13th, 2009  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by perseus
Regarding suitable escort aircraft, I cannot imagine the Meteor would have suitable range. Propellor aircraft seem to hit a barrier around 500mph whatever fuel you use due to compressibility effects, and it must be very fuel intensive to push an aircraft to this speed, especially over Germany without a base on the continent. It would have posed a problem for daylight raids and bombing the oilfields in particular.

Once a forward base had been established I suppose conventional fighter aircraft could hover over the airfields waiting of the 262s taking off as they did later in the war.
You are correct that the Meteor didn't have the range for a full escort mission but by 1944-1945 they could have been based in France as close to the front lines as possible to compensate for their lack of range. Remember the 262 had range problems of its own.
April 13th, 2009  
LeEnfield
 
 
In 1945 the Meteor was based in Belgium and escorted American bombers on raids
 


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