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Boots
 
April 7th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
When I was in college for criminal justice we had to do case analysis of legal law along with social laws.

The later being social norms and unofficial status qou.

In the case of women's rights it started as it should, a legal look at man/woman relations. But now it has mutated into something that is not healthy, legislating social law into legal binding conditions.

Good moral character, and an good conscience just can't be legislated, it has to be developed on it's own. You cannot write good behavior into law and the more you force feed it down men's throats the less they will be willing to enter traditional marriage.

In itsself marriage seems more a financial arrangement anymore, and is on the decline, and I mean, the disappearing decline.
April 7th, 2015  
brinktk
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
This is starting to sound like battered wives syndrome and my advice remains the same, if your relationship sucks then pack your shit and move on don't sit around looking for people to blame, crying about it not working or making compromises to fix it as it just doesn't work.

MGTOW is fine but it isn't all that new and quite honestly it should be PGTOW (P=People) as no one should be in a relationship that stiffles them.




And once again this is a failing of the legal system and you really cant blame people for taking advantage of it, lets face it if the government tomorrow reversed the roles then I guarantee the same stories would emerge from the other side.



So in reality the problem is solving itself.
I think you misunderstand me. You are assuming I'm simply bitter because you think I'm in a "crappy relationship". Nothing could be further from the truth, I lucked out and found the proverbial unicorn. This doesn't mean I don't see it all around me though. It also doesn't mean that my children won't be affected by it either. Nice try at telling me to "man up" though...I really needed that.

Teaching at a university these last few years has been eye opening as to this problem. I'm not sure if New Zealand is comparible to the US...All I can say here is that it is a big problem. Political correctness has paralyzed productivity and mediocrity reigns...if you don't walk on eggshells to preserve peoples feelings then it could potentially be a career ender. That is a problem.

It is the legal system as you say. Should I simply throw my hands up and say "oh well"? The government WON'T reverse it...not unless a lot of men AND women get pissed off enough to make them change it. This is starting to happen, but it is going to get worse before it gets better. A little activism goes a long way. I'm simply doing my part...
April 7th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by brinktk
I think you misunderstand me. You are assuming I'm simply bitter because you think I'm in a "crappy relationship". Nothing could be further from the truth, I lucked out and found the proverbial unicorn. This doesn't mean I don't see it all around me though. It also doesn't mean that my children won't be affected by it either. Nice try at telling me to "man up" though...I really needed that.

Teaching at a university these last few years has been eye opening as to this problem. I'm not sure if New Zealand is comparible to the US...All I can say here is that it is a big problem. Political correctness has paralyzed productivity and mediocrity reigns...if you don't walk on eggshells to preserve peoples feelings then it could potentially be a career ender. That is a problem.

It is the legal system as you say. Should I simply throw my hands up and say "oh well"? The government WON'T reverse it...not unless a lot of men AND women get pissed off enough to make them change it. This is starting to happen, but it is going to get worse before it gets better. A little activism goes a long way. I'm simply doing my part...

I am not saying that anything you have posted is wrong, inaccurate or doesn't happen because it does but it seems to me you have become fixated on the result and not on correcting the issues that have led to that result.

It is not about correcting the result it is about changing the parameters so that the result does not occur and if you want to achieve this then the simple answer is that men need to man up and stop being a bunch of pussy whipped wastes of skin, if you want a relationship of equals then people have to be equals.

The problem is that as with most things it is like a pendulum and that tends to swing from one extreme to the other which is not what anyone needs either.
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April 7th, 2015  
brinktk
 
 
How does one not be a "pussy whipped waste of skin" then?

Get a job?

Go to college?

Shut up and stop whining?

Work until your bones fall out?

Men can do everything right...or wrong, and it doesn't matter. Unless they have gobs of money to pay on lawyer fees, they are gonna get crushed by the legal system at the hands of their woman, if she so desires. There is nothing they can do about it. Not yet. So they are walking away from it which is a natural result. They are showing how reliant the whole system is on men, and they are showing both the uber feminists and the legal system how easily their house of cards will fall if men don't play. They are treating women with the equality they never really wanted in the first place.

what is your solution for "changing the parameters of that result"?
April 7th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
I feel in the pursuit of ultra equality on terms of legality with women, it's having the opposite affect socially in the long run for women socially.

Women I meet now who are either going through a divorce or single are wondering why all men anymore could car less and are ****oles is understandable.

I went through the entire spectrum myself, from tying to balance a good moral out look on relationships to going through the stripped down phase, where no matter how hard a man can try he will lose when the woman he is with wants to pick him clean of nothing but change.

After that allot of guys fear commitment and just outright like I do now, spiteful of what any long term involvement has with an %60-%75 fail rate leading to life damaging consequences.

It drives men to take what they can without committing and treating women worse off now than before this whole legality circus ever got drafted.

That's why women now often find there are no good men out there anymore, not because they don't exist, but mainly because there is as mentioned:

No point in being a good man anymore. The legal system has destroyed the social balance.
April 7th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
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Originally Posted by brinktk
How does one not be a "pussy whipped waste of skin" then?
I believe one has to man up. If you behave as a pussy whipped wimp expect to be walked all over. A good women is worth her weight in gold but you must be worthy of her love and respect for the marriage - relationship to work.

Rule #2 drop the losers and nut cases like hot potato's. Don't try and analyze the situation just end it.
April 7th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
Rule #2 drop the losers and nut cases like hot potato's. Don't try and analyze the situation just end it.

That's the issue, the system slants many things making it to where you just can't "end it" without heavily impacting your social, economic or even professional and personal standing.

It's not just walk away, there is almost always very serious repercussions.
April 7th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
How does one not be a "pussy whipped waste of skin" then?

Get a job?

Go to college?

Shut up and stop whining?

Work until your bones fall out?

Men can do everything right...or wrong, and it doesn't matter. Unless they have gobs of money to pay on lawyer fees, they are gonna get crushed by the legal system at the hands of their woman, if she so desires. There is nothing they can do about it. Not yet. So they are walking away from it which is a natural result. They are showing how reliant the whole system is on men, and they are showing both the uber feminists and the legal system how easily their house of cards will fall if men don't play. They are treating women with the equality they never really wanted in the first place.

what is your solution for "changing the parameters of that result"?
You are a combat veteran before you went into combat what did you do?

Did you prepare as best you could for what you were going to face, think through your actions etc. or did you just get up in the morning and think "Yay I am invading Iraq today" and run off towards Baghdad with a packet of Doritos and a rifle under your arm?

Men and women need to realise life is a struggle from start to finish and it is up to the individual to primarily get themselves through it and then pull those around them through as best they can it is not about living in each others pockets until you cant stand each other any more and going through some acrimonious court case.

So my answer to your questions is, you plan for success and failure, you analyse every situation and you do what is right for you and if it goes wrong you adapt and move on but this applies to everyone.

Which means yes you get an education, you get a job and chances are you will work until your bones fall out but realise you will make mistakes so learn from those mistakes and stop repeating them time after time and for the love of what ever deity you want to back stop trying to blame other people for the mistakes you make just make the right call for you and move on.

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Originally Posted by JOC
I believe one has to man up. If you behave as a pussy whipped wimp expect to be walked all over. A good women is worth her weight in gold but you must be worthy of her love and respect for the marriage - relationship to work.

Rule #2 drop the losers and nut cases like hot potato's. Don't try and analyze the situation just end it.
Exactly although you have to analyse the situation to realise you have a nutcase or loser.

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

It drives men to take what they can without committing and treating women worse off now than before this whole legality circus ever got drafted.

That's why women now often find there are no good men out there anymore, not because they don't exist, but mainly because there is as mentioned:

No point in being a good man anymore. The legal system has destroyed the social balance.
Here is another option how about going through life being yourself rather than molding yourself to the personality of those you are trying to impress, if a relationship is going to work it will be because of who you are not who you are trying to be this week.
April 7th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
That's the issue, the system slants many things making it to where you just can't "end it" without heavily impacting your social, economic or even professional and personal standing.

It's not just walk away, there is almost always very serious repercussions.
All I know Yossarian is that after numerous difficult relationship and much frustration. I learned as soon as I started to recognize the signs of major issues (that I knew would only get worse in time), I refused to allow myself to be pulled in and cut the chords. Sometimes these game playing women tried to reel me back in, to no avail. Of course this is not to say there aren't some wonderful women out there my wife is one.
April 7th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Here is another option how about going through life being yourself rather than molding yourself to the personality of those you are trying to impress, if a relationship is going to work it will be because of who you are not who you are trying to be this week.
I think your misunderstanding, but that is exactly what I am doing, and if someone does not enjoy it, kindly I say let it be and move on.

Allot of jaws drop when you don't change from one person to the next it seems anymore.

And as mentioned, I don't want any kind of servitude based relationship, once more I don't understand many people's inability to grasp the concept that it's not for everyone.

You cannot be happy with someone else if you are not happy with yourself first, and I am completely content with myself.

Yes, there are good people out there, yes people do die with one marriage in their lives in Western Countries still but it's on the decline, and there is no doubt about it.