How is More Less ? - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
April 6th, 2015  
hawky94
 
 
Question: When is this asshat going to be jettisoned?
April 6th, 2015  
hawky94
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Hey come on some of my best friends are women, I love women... as often as possible in fact.
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Wahey!
April 6th, 2015  
brinktk
 
 
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Originally Posted by Sara
Oops.. excuse me. I must've taken a wrong turn back there. I thought this was IMF but it looks like it could be the "He Man Woman Hater's Club" instead... so sorry.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jNICI38fEc

There it is...it was a matter of time.
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April 6th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
There it is...it was a matter of time.

I was thinking the same thing, Tigress does have claws that's for sure.
April 6th, 2015  
brinktk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
I was thinking the same thing, Tigress does have claws that's for sure.
I was saying it more generally. Anytime men try to have a conversation about anything to do with male issues...we are shamed in an attempt to "toe the line and shut up". It is another societal symptom that nobody is really interested in mens problems.

That is all fine and good...people can keep telling us we are evil, woman haters, or rapists all they want...just don't be surprised when men decide(as is becoming the case more and more) to simply walk away from the whole game.

Equality comes with responsibility, it cannot be any other way.
April 6th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
That is all fine and good...people can keep telling us we are evil, woman haters, or rapists all they want...just don't be surprised when men decide(as is becoming the case more and more) to simply walk away from the whole game.
Equality comes with responsibility, it cannot be any other way.
You know what ever since the moment I told my ex fiance that I could no longer afford to pay for her lifestyle I went from being the best man she had to being literally I quote : A cheating low lifed piece of punk *** s***. And I was 5 years younger than the woman. I aparently also cheated frequently, was an alchoholic probably on drugs who didn't listen or had any compassion what so ever in this one sided arrangement.

My biggest crime was wanting to save so we could have food to eat and not spend what little I had left to spend on those important things, like concert tickets, seat covers and rims for her car.


I still have that bad taste in my mouth, and honestly has compelled me like some other guys I know to just do exactly that, not put up with it, now I really don't have any compassion, now I really don't open my wallet for anything and right now, I really don't see the point of spend not only thousands upon thousands on the circus like idea that has become the modern wedding but not wasting years upon years of my life stuck in another miserable situation when I can be happier doing what I am now.

Living my own life.

This seems to be the trend anymore, and soon the legal power may be on the women's side but the social happiness will be swayed to all the males who figure out you don't need marriage to live life to it's fullest anymore.

This won't account for %100 of all people for sure, but expect it to much more common in the near future as homosexual relationships for example are today compared to 30 years ago.
April 6th, 2015  
brinktk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
You know what ever since the moment I told my ex fiance that I could no longer afford to pay for her lifestyle I went from being the best man she had to being literally I quote : A cheating low lifed piece of punk *** s***. And I was 5 years younger than the woman. I aparently also cheated frequently, was an alchoholic probably on drugs who didn't listen or had any compassion what so ever in this one sided arrangement.

My biggest crime was wanting to save so we could have food to eat and not spend what little I had left to spend on those important things, like concert tickets, seat covers and rims for her car.


I still have that bad taste in my mouth, and honestly has compelled me like some other guys I know to just do exactly that, not put up with it, now I really don't have any compassion, now I really don't open my wallet for anything and right now, I really don't see the point of spend not only thousands upon thousands on the circus like idea that has become the modern wedding but not wasting years upon years of my life stuck in another miserable situation when I can be happier doing what I am now.

Living my own life.

This seems to be the trend anymore, and soon the legal power may be on the women's side but the social happiness will be swayed to all the males who figure out you don't need marriage to live life to it's fullest anymore.

This won't account for %100 of all people for sure, but expect it to much more common in the near future as homosexual relationships for example are today compared to 30 years ago.
This example is a poignant reminder that this IS happening. If we aren't good enough for the million expectations that are now placed on us by the liberated woman...(without being demonized for having our own expectations in return) Men will just stop giving a crap. MGTOW was one of top five most searched acronyms on google in 2013 and 2014. More and more they are realizing they don't want all the hassle that comes from the relationship game because it has turned into a zero sum game.

55% of marriages end in divorce.

70-75% of all divorces are initiated by women.

90% of ALL alimony money is paid by men.

Furthermore, no matter how good of a father we are, or how good of a husband we were...if the woman decides, she could literally deny us access to our children, force us into slavery through alimony and child support. (which happens all the time) If we don't toe the line, the state will force us to, and men with guns will knock on our door and throw us in prison while crocodile tears flow in the background.

This is the reality young men face these days. They are doing the cost benefit analysis and they are finding that they will never be able to win...things will always be our fault...noone will ever take what we say seriously. So huge amounts of young men are simply not playing the game.

What are they finding out? Not only is it cheaper, but they are learning that they are now allowed to be happy without slaving themselves trying to make someone else happy with diminishing returns in their investment. Fingers are worked to the bone only to still be told we are abusive or stupid or oppressive or worthless...so why bother?

"Where have all the good men gone?"...They've been there all along. After being crapped on most of their lives by the very women they were trying to court and be nice/chivalrous to...they realized that (mostly) those women weren't interested in that guy...so they took their ball and went home. They are giving true equality to everyone in the form of no special treatment...and apparently that is problematic.
April 6th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
This example is a poignant reminder that this IS happening. If we aren't good enough for the million expectations that are now placed on us by the liberated woman...(without being demonized for having our own expectations in return) Men will just stop giving a crap. MGTOW was one of top five most searched acronyms on google in 2013 and 2014. More and more they are realizing they don't want all the hassle that comes from the relationship game because it has turned into a zero sum game.

55% of marriages end in divorce.

70-75% of all divorces are initiated by women.

90% of ALL alimony money is paid by men.

Furthermore, no matter how good of a father we are, or how good of a husband we were...if the woman decides, she could literally deny us access to our children, force us into slavery through alimony and child support. (which happens all the time) If we don't toe the line, the state will force us to, and men with guns will knock on our door and throw us in prison while crocodile tears flow in the background.

This is the reality young men face these days. They are doing the cost benefit analysis and they are finding that they will never be able to win...things will always be our fault...noone will ever take what we say seriously. So huge amounts of young men are simply not playing the game.

What are they finding out? Not only is it cheaper, but they are learning that they are now allowed to be happy without slaving themselves trying to make someone else happy with diminishing returns in their investment. Fingers are worked to the bone only to still be told we are abusive or stupid or oppressive or worthless...so why bother?

"Where have all the good men gone?"...They've been there all along. After being crapped on most of their lives by the very women they were trying to court and be nice/chivalrous to...they realized that (mostly) those women weren't interested in that guy...so they took their ball and went home. They are giving true equality to everyone in the form of no special treatment...and apparently that is problematic.
That's what I am learning now, I was demoted at my old job because of complications caused by my significant other at the time wanting my and expecting me to call in using sick time to go out and do things, like food festivals, go to the beach because her girlfriend from some trip from California is in town.

Not realizing the real consequences of my absenteeism, but if I didn't go? Then I was obviously cheating with someone at my job. Or was hungover from my rabbid alcoholism. Or hiding something, or not supportive, and a negative personality to be around.

But I stuck it out, as long as I could, sold my vehicle, bought her an engagement ring, which was pawned without my knowing because she blew her money before she quit her job because she didn't "get along" with her manager. (Who really I met the guy only wanted her to actually show up on time, a legitimate grievance from any job.)

My Dad being the best father any young man could have eventually mentioned his first marriage to my mother, and told me "son, I been exactly where you are now, and you better think hard before you go on ahead and pop out a few kids."

So eventually, going by social pressures of society I offered her to move back in with her mother, while I sort out all the debt we had accumulated, and close out our lease on our place. Even offered to help her pack, at least until we are more stable to survive primarily off my butchered paycheck from my demotion.

Soon as I offered, she dumped me on the spot, it was a Thursday, and right before Valentines, which would have killed another paycheck. Never married, 21 years old, no car almost 100 miles form home in a city I didn't know, she left me up to my eyeballs in debt. Lost my truck, rode the bus for a few months living in a deep depression as little by little all her things were moved out of our place until I was on my own. Buying groceries like a hobo and carrying em home in a gym bag. Taking my truck tag to turn into the tag office on foot. Taking out loans to survive in an apartment meant to have two working people paying on, now just me.

And you know what happened next?

Drank 3 fith bottles of whiskey dumped my last 30 bucks on fine cigars,

Moved home, got an amazing Job with the RR and now work part time doing nursery work (flowers). Mainly to get out and offer plant knowledge to all the pretty ladies out in the spring time weather. Sometimes I do "house calls".

Got a fat wallet a brand new car debt free and don't feel guilty going to bed early, don't feel guilty buying new work boots, or hell even a case of beer. Live in a nice house now, I can get out and spend all day roasting a wild hog with my Grandad talking about trains, cars, county politics and not worry about my phone blowing up with accusations I'm out being unfaithful.

And you know what? Learning this at 21? You think your going to see me at the courthouse anytime soon? Yea I love women, but honestly, it's so much easier when they come in my front door at 11PM and are out that same door by 9am.

Love you all ladies, there are some amazing ones out there, but I am just fine. And don't anyone dare say "you'll find someone someday". Because I am not looking, and honestly times often change faster than old adages do...
April 6th, 2015  
tetvet
 
I created this post and was roundly chastised for being a piece of shit to make war on women which was not said in the original post .
April 6th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
This example is a poignant reminder that this IS happening. If we aren't good enough for the million expectations that are now placed on us by the liberated woman...(without being demonized for having our own expectations in return) Men will just stop giving a crap. MGTOW was one of top five most searched acronyms on google in 2013 and 2014. More and more they are realizing they don't want all the hassle that comes from the relationship game because it has turned into a zero sum game.
This is starting to sound like battered wives syndrome and my advice remains the same, if your relationship sucks then pack your shit and move on don't sit around looking for people to blame, crying about it not working or making compromises to fix it as it just doesn't work.

MGTOW is fine but it isn't all that new and quite honestly it should be PGTOW (P=People) as no one should be in a relationship that stiffles them.


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Furthermore, no matter how good of a father we are, or how good of a husband we were...if the woman decides, she could literally deny us access to our children, force us into slavery through alimony and child support. (which happens all the time) If we don't toe the line, the state will force us to, and men with guns will knock on our door and throw us in prison while crocodile tears flow in the background.
And once again this is a failing of the legal system and you really cant blame people for taking advantage of it, lets face it if the government tomorrow reversed the roles then I guarantee the same stories would emerge from the other side.

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This is the reality young men face these days. They are doing the cost benefit analysis and they are finding that they will never be able to win...things will always be our fault...noone will ever take what we say seriously. So huge amounts of young men are simply not playing the game.

What are they finding out? Not only is it cheaper, but they are learning that they are now allowed to be happy without slaving themselves trying to make someone else happy with diminishing returns in their investment. Fingers are worked to the bone only to still be told we are abusive or stupid or oppressive or worthless...so why bother?
So in reality the problem is solving itself.