The lowest gun deaths in the free world are found in small towns in Georgia - where everyone is armed.
How do you explain this?
If we want a logical comparison how about we look at the countries with varying degrees of firearms control and compare their gun related death rates?
Like this? There are a lot of other mitigating factors such as security of firearms, population density, glorification/culture of firearms. Of course this probably relates only to legal arms. It seems that New Zealand are doing something else right that Belgium isn't. Moreover the US performs poorly even allowing for firearm numbers, perhaps it is no coincidence that we have a string political gun lobby in the US.
Rob, I don't know how you have missed it but, "Everyone here is only one person" I never saw where any person said otherwise.Did I say anything CLOSE to that? I said that you're only one person. I never said anything about you not having any idea what you're talking about... I said that one person's experience is NOT enough to be conclusive. One cop in one city isn't going to be indicative of the entire United States.
Like this? There are a lot of other mitigating factors such as security of firearms, population density, glorification/culture of firearms. Of course this probably relates only to legal arms. It seems that New Zealand are doing something else right that Belgium isn't. Moreover the US performs poorly even allowing for firearm numbers, perhaps it is no coincidence that we have a string political gun lobby in the US.
Those figures match Perseus's figures but lack the "firearms per household" figure which I actually believe is important because it indicates the actual level of state control on firearms.
However the only thing that lowers the USA down the list in the figures you have supplied is the inclusion of dodgy third world nations and countries with minor rebellions and terrorist activity.
I am still prepared to bet that the Swiss don't just hand out an assault rifle to every Johann Schmitt that happens to pass by a military base, on top of that the Swiss do place a lot of their restrictions on ammunition sales instead of the weapon itself.
Incidentally I am still waiting for someone to show me this armed utopia where everyone can own any weapon they like and gun crime is non-existent, it is constantly mentioned here by the pro-gun crew yet I still haven't seen any confirmation of its location.
As far as owning firearms being a "god given right" goes which commandment is "thou shall all own a Glock" again?
I am still prepared to bet that the Swiss don't just hand out an assault rifle to every Johann Schmitt that happens to pass by a military base, on top of that the Swiss do place a lot of their restrictions on ammunition sales instead of the weapon itself.
Incidentally I am still waiting for someone to show me this armed utopia where everyone can own any weapon they like and gun crime is non-existent, it is constantly mentioned here by the pro-gun crew yet I still haven't seen any confirmation of its location.
As far as owning firearms being a "god given right" goes which commandment is "thou shall all own a Glock" again?
Just because I haven't had any experience in the matter doesn't change the facts of it. If 100,00 people died in a war, and someone fought in and survived that war, it doesn't change the fact that 100,000 people died in the war. I still know that just as well as the person who served in it. I'm not disrespecting anyone who has put themselves in harms way, I'm just saying that facts don't change because you were there. I'm sure he DOES see the problems, but like I said, he's one LEO in one area... Just because he sees things doesn't mean that it is the case for the entire country.Rob, I don't know how you have missed it but, "Everyone here is only one person" I never saw where any person said otherwise.
If you cared to take off your blinkers, I think you'll find that 03USMC was perhaps indicating that as a LEO he sees the problem a lot closer and a lot more often than you ever will, and therefore his opinion is a lot better informed than your own,... unless of course at some time in the future you become a victim yourself.
Please see the last post on page 3. We were typing at the same time.
Gun CRIME will never be non-existent. China, with the most strict gun laws in the world, has gun crime. No one here, myself included, contends that we can put an end to crimes committed with firearms.
Rather, the right attitude, coupled with situational awareness, and backed up with a firearm, is the key to lessening your chance of becoming a victim. If you are mentally and physically prepared to cease any deviant action against your person or those entrusted to your protection, you will not be a victim. Those you love will not be victims. The frail old lady walking next to you that you've never met will not be a victim. And when you kill the man that wishes to make you or them a victim, he too will not be a victim.
As I said in my last post (bottom of page three), you must remove the motive. The way to remove the motive is to ensure the violator that he will not live to enjoy the spoils of his deed. Even criminals watch the news. If they suddenly see a society where they are likely to die in the course of their actions, they will lose the motivation and, to borrow the cliche', be scared straight.
No other method of preventing crime in the history of the world -- not justice, religion, or apathy -- has proven effective. You must remove the motivation by applying a higher level of force, strengthening your own position with the assistance of your fellow citizens that seek the same crime-free society as you do. Anything short of outright fear only encourages crime. And there is no greater fear than committing a crime in which you receive zero benefit because you'll be dead before you can enjoy the "reward" of the crime itself and what it gives you.
Rob, the point I was making and that you seem to have missed again is that in your debate with 03USMC you both only have one opinion, BUT because of 03s experience in the subject at hand on an almost daily basis, his opinion is most likely far better founded than yours, regardless of what you feel.Just because I haven't had any experience in the matter doesn't change the facts of it.
I'll send you a PM...Rob, the point I was making and that you seem to have missed again is that in your debate with 03USMC you both only have one opinion, BUT because of 03s experience in the subject at hand on an almost daily basis, his opinion is most likely far better founded than yours, regardless of what you feel.
I will say no more on the matter, as it is well and truly "Off Topic"
Agreed. (Gasp!!!) I think one of the things that really helps out the gun-toters is the idea that this is the internet... Can anyone really say whether or not they would shoot someone without actually being face with the situation? We will never know. Besides, how can you carry a machine gun efficiently?When there is good chance that the victims might shoot back, there is only only one real option available to the perpetrator. He must be prepared to shoot first.
There is a good chance that this would get more people killed than ever.
On this subject, I feel too many impressionable people live in a fantasy world created by Hollywood where the good guy always wins. It was found back in the 1800s that it is not always so.
The "Wild West" model of law enforcement was dumped over a hundred years ago for this very reason among others, but it appears that some people have just never learned, or I think, more to the point, they are immature "w@nkers who feel that it is "macho" to be walking around in public with a firearm, or known to be carrying..
My son remarked upon this phenomenon in Iraq where when the Aussies ate with the American PMCs in a secure area, The Aussies would always take their weapon and a few mags stuck in their pockets, but many of the others would roll up kitted out weapon wise, as if they were going on an unsupported 14 day patrol into tiger country... in a word,... Wankers.
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