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Boots
 
June 6th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfen
Whats wors, kicking, flushing, or burning the koran, or draging sombody feet first through the street and hanging him out to die?
More importantly how big of a step is it between the wrongs?
June 7th, 2005  
wolfen
 
Depends on who you talk to Monty, I have friends that would gladly flush the koran, and firends that think it should be treated as a religious book.
My self I'm not the best christian. I believe in the God almighty, but I can always get another Bible if mine is destroyed, I can't get another friend like the one they killed.
But then thats just me.
Personally if it was up to me we wouldn't be in Iraq in the first place until Afganistan was finished, and Osama Bin Laden was found and delt with.
I'm not saying I'm against eh Iraq war, I FULLY support the Troops. I was just brought up to finish one thing before I started another.
June 7th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfen
Depends on who you talk to Monty, I have friends that would gladly flush the koran, and firends that think it should be treated as a religious book.
My self I'm not the best christian. I believe in the God almighty, but I can always get another Bible if mine is destroyed, I can't get another friend like the one they killed.
But then thats just me.
Personally if it was up to me we wouldn't be in Iraq in the first place until Afganistan was finished, and Osama Bin Laden was found and delt with.
I'm not saying I'm against eh Iraq war, I FULLY support the Troops. I was just brought up to finish one thing before I started another.
Oddly enough I dont disagree with anything you have said, my point is however that people naturally push the bounderies (this occurs in all walks of life) to see how far they can go, if you let one minor issue go then that becomes the new boundry and they start pushing the next so while this issue is maybe 10 steps away from being a barbaric act if you let it slide you are only 9 steps away.
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Boots
June 7th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Why would you close it down? How would that help? Wouldn't they just be moved to another location?
June 7th, 2005  
AlexKall
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfen
Whats wors, kicking, flushing, or burning the koran, or draging sombody feet first through the street and hanging him out to die?
Depends on the person, some people would defenetly think that what they do to the koran is worse then to be dragged feet first through the streets and haning him out to die.

The fact is the innocent people has had these types of toruture put to them, innocent people! And that is just something that mustn't happen, torture of any kind is strikty a no no.
June 7th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
I think maybe seven or eight years in the Hanoi Hilton would have made the prisoners at Gitmo glad to be there.
June 8th, 2005  
behemoth79
 
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ck=1&cset=true

Senator Biden wants Guantanamo shut down
June 8th, 2005  
FRO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfen
Personally if it was up to me we wouldn't be in Iraq in the first place until Afganistan was finished, and Osama Bin Laden was found and delt with.
I'm not saying I'm against eh Iraq war, I FULLY support the Troops. I was just brought up to finish one thing before I started another.
Quoted for truth
June 8th, 2005  
FRO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
Why would you close it down? How would that help? Wouldn't they just be moved to another location?
Actually, if they accorded the inmates at Gitmo the rights of PoWs, I'd be happy with that. Gitmo is a good place to hold them, as long as they are accorded their rights.
June 8th, 2005  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
That's a bunch of bull.... I think there's never enough punishment for the terrorists....
Oh and by the way, please read this...

The Truth About Guantanamo Bay
By Michelle Malkin
June 1, 2005

The mainstream media and international human rights organizations have relentlessly portrayed the Guantanamo Bay detention facility as a depraved torture chamber operated by sadistic American military officials defiling Islam at every turn. It's the "gulag of our time," wails Amnesty International. It's the "anti-Statue of Liberty," bemoans New York Times columnist Tom Friedman.

Have there been abuses? Yes. But here is the rest of the story -- the story that the Islamists and their sympathizers don't want you to hear.

According to recently released FBI documents, which are inaccurately heralded by civil liberties activists and military-bashers as irrefutable evidence of widespread "atrocities" at Gitmo:

A significant number of detainees' complaints were either exaggerated or fabricated (no surprise given al Qaeda's explicit instructions to trainees to lie). One detainee who claimed to have been "beaten, spit upon and treated worse than a dog" could not provide a single detail pertaining to mistreatment by U.S. military personnel. Another detainee claimed that guards were physically abusive, but admitted he hadn't seen it.

Another detainee disputed one of the now-globally infamous claims that American guards had mistreated the Koran. The detainee said that riots resulted from claims that a guard dropped the Koran. In actuality, the detainee said, a detainee dropped the Koran then blamed a guard. Other detainees who complained about abuse of the Koran admitted they had never personally witnessed any such abuse, but one said he had heard that non-Muslim soldiers touched the Koran when searching it for contraband.

In one case, Gitmo interrogators apologized to a detainee for interviewing him prior to the end of Ramadan.

Several detainees indicated they had not experienced any mistreatment. Others complained about lack of privacy, lack of bed sheets, being unwillingly photographed, the guards' use of profanity, and bad food.

If this is unacceptable, "gulag"-style "torture," then every inmate in America is a victim of human rights violations. (Oh, never mind, there are civil liberties chicken littles who actually believe that.)

Erik Saar, who served as an army sergeant at Gitmo for six months and co-authored a negative, tell-all book about his experience titled "Inside the Wire," inadvertently provides us more firsthand details showing just how restrained, and sensitive to Islam -- to a fault, I believe -- the officials at the detention facility have been.

Each detainee's cell has a sink installed low to the ground, "to make it easier for the detainees to wash their feet" before Muslim prayer, Saar reports. Detainees get "two hot halal, or religiously correct, meals" a day in addition to an MRE (meal ready to eat). Loudspeakers broadcast the Muslims' call to prayer five times a day.

Every detainee gets a prayer mat, cap and Koran. Every cell has a stenciled arrow pointing toward Mecca. Moreover, Gitmo's library -- yes, library -- is stocked with Jihadi books. "I was surprised that we'd be making that concession to the religious zealotry of the terrorists," Saar admits. "[I]t seemed to me that the camp command was helping to facilitate the terrorists' religious devotion." Saar notes that one FBI special agent involved in interrogations even grew a beard like the detainees "as a sort of show of respect for their faith."

Unreality-based liberals would have us believe that America is systematically torturing innocent Muslims out of spite at Guantanamo Bay. Meanwhile, our own MPs have endured little-publicized abuse at the hands of manipulative, hate-mongering enemy combatants. Detainees have spit on and hurled water, urine and feces on the MPs. Causing disturbances is a source of entertainment for detainees who, as Gen. Richard Myers points out, "would turn right around and try to slit our throats, slit our children's throats" if released.

The same unreality-based liberals whine about the Bush administration's failure to gather intelligence and prevent terrorism. Yet, these hysterical critics have no viable alternative to detention and interrogation -- and there is no doubt they would be the first to lambaste the White House and Pentagon if a released detainee went on to commit an act of mass terrorism on American soil.

Guantanamo Bay will not be the death of this country. The unseriousness and hypocrisy of the terrorist-abetting Left is a far greater threat.

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Michelle Malkin is author of "Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores" (Regnery). Michelle Malkin's e-mail address is malkin@comcast.net.

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