Mohmar Deathstrike
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Darcia said:Canada isn't in Eurpe yet there part of the ESA. Who knows what the higher ups in the EU are thinking.
Why is there no talk of Canada joining the EU?
Darcia said:Canada isn't in Eurpe yet there part of the ESA. Who knows what the higher ups in the EU are thinking.
gladius said:What is the general concensus though, do people over there still want a United Europe? (But with a better constitution)
From what I gathered both left and right were against the constution. Are there any specific examples that people were against that the politicians wanted?
Is Europe in general trying to get away from being too socialist or are they too locked in to do anything about it? The shrinking work force is going to be a problem for a welfare ridden society in the near future, this was a main concern from some of the people I saw being interviewed, what it had to do exactly with the constitution I'm not quite sure. I find this intresting and would like to know more about what exactly is going on over there with this development.
False ! there are no 54,87% people in France who are leftist or "fascist" ! About one half of the Socialist Party and the Green were against.Only extreme leftist(comunist) and extreme right(fascist, like Le Pen in France) political parties were agaisnt the Constituion. All other parties were favourable.
yep, but does everyone read the third part of this treaty ?In Spain there was not a debate about the Constitution, all the political parties were favourable to it. In Spain we said yes to the Constitution, but only with a 40% participation....great failure!
I guess that most people are against this Constitution due to varied reasons, but basically these :
- We do not want Turkey in EU, the politicians do. Which would be next candidate...Israel?? may be Morocco??
- In many counties the Constitution was approved by the parlaments...In a democratic country you should ask for the opinion of the people..this constitution is gonna be their fundamental law!
- Chauvinistic feelings
there are no 54,87% people in France who are leftist or "fascist"
ninjafreak89 said:One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Mohmar Deathstrike said:Darcia said:Canada isn't in Eurpe yet there part of the ESA. Who knows what the higher ups in the EU are thinking.
Why is there no talk of Canada joining the EU?
Darcia said:Mohmar Deathstrike said:It is also odd because Switzerland refuses to join the Eu because it sees it as an alliance and wants toremain it it's current state however it is in fact a member of the ESA.
Canada is not a European Space Agency member.
Switzerland is also part of the European Free Trade Association
One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Pierrot said:One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Yes, but in France it represents "only" 35% of the "no-vote". The "no" won thanks to the left-wing electors, who were in a majority against the treaty.
They thought the treaty was too "liberal". But I must recognize this constitution was hazardous because it contained a "official" policy. Stauro, you can check it : read for example the third part (for example III-156, III-162, III-167 and the unbelievable III-131, but also the independence of the ECB, a parliament who cannot propose any law ! ... ) and the reference to the NATO (excuse me but it disturbs me :evil: )
The french paradox is : YES to Europe, so NO to this constitution
Pierrot said:...and the unbelievable III-131... and the reference to the NATO (excuse me but it disturbs me :evil: )
Darcia said:Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
I guess the main reason for the French refusal was a domestic one, people are dissatisfied with Chirac's policy, the referendum was his project, so its failure is a personal failure for him and hence the shake-up of his cabinet.gladius said:From what I heard in the news people are rejecting this because this constitution was going for an even more Socialist Europe.
With a shinking population, having more old people ended up being suported by fewer and fewer younger people in socialist based enocomy heavily supported by heavy taxes and the goverment you can see where this is leading to trouble. They have tried to import workers but this is causing another kind of trouble all its own.
staurofilakes said:Darcia said:Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
In Spain we had a referedum, the goverment asked for our opinion, but only 40% of the population voted.
Darcia said:staurofilakes said:Darcia said:Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
In Spain we had a referedum, the goverment asked for our opinion, but only 40% of the population voted.
How did they vote on it?
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