Escalation of War if Iran attacked? - Page 2




 
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November 3rd, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
You got a problem with preventing Iran's nuclear ambitions? Why do you mock?

It may very well come to use of the military.
November 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
No Bush is on power again, Iran seems a bit in danger to be honest.

If Iran is gone, oh my dear my poor N.Korea will be the next.

It would be sad to see all of our allies are chewed up
November 3rd, 2004  
larsrq
 
I don't thinkk that China will come and help Iran if USA attacks. Why should they? They can get oil from someone else if needed.

And I really hope that USA thinks more than once before attacking Iran. If Iran got nuclear they will use it if attacked and then no one knows whats gonna happen.
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November 3rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Your dear North Korea? LMAO.
I think it'll be rather contained. I don't think China or anyone will come running to Iran's aid. Except perhaps volunteer groups from other Islamic countries.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
No Bush is on power again, Iran seems a bit in danger to be honest.

If Iran is gone, oh my dear my poor N.Korea will be the next.

It would be sad to see all of our allies are chewed up
November 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
You are right mates.

First, the real concern of USA about Iran is if Iran really has already got 1 nuke bomb at house (bought somewhere from Russia maybe), and USA attacks, then Israel will be hit by this 1 nuke.

About N.Korea:
I have to say, there are still many Chinese who have "special" feeling towards N.Koreans, if NK is attacked, I am pretty sure China will get in to help.
BUT: this is OFF-TOPIC. Sorry Mods.
November 3rd, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
About N.Korea:
I have to say, there are still many Chinese who have "special" feeling towards N.Koreans, if NK is attacked, I am pretty sure China will get in to help.
BUT: this is OFF-TOPIC. Sorry Mods.
On that track, the USA is extremely unlikely to take action on North Korea unless China was 100% in favor of that action.

Iran, on the other hand, is not something that China isn't likely to jump in for. They certainly won't be happy with us of course. Its just isn't quite worthwhile for them to send help, etc.

Of course that DOES NOT mean that invading them is a brilliant idea.
November 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
I really don't think China will be involved with the Iran-USA conflict.

What China can and possibly will do is to supply Iran some weapons or military tech, not sure about Nuke thing.

China would be crazy to send in troops to Iran, that is simply beyond any possibility.
November 4th, 2004  
It's all a game
 
Here's the link to the copy-and-pasted article. It's just one person's opinion or judgment, but certainly is a probable scenario:

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSu...ansawesome.htm

I agree to the idea that China definitely will not involve itself directly in the possible US-Iran conflict. In the nuclear era, true great powers (the power to destroy human civilization) will not fight a war with their worthy rivals unless they mean, per God's will, to commit the world to an immediate destruction. But they will have to, per their historical destiny or, at the personal/collective level, their genetically programmed impulse, fight through surrogate states. And in my opinion, any surrogate wars have the potential to escalate into a full fledged world war.

Whether they like it or not, Iran, North Korea, etc. are such surrogates. And even a surrogate nation has its own will and agenda. They do not necessarily have to be pushed to surrogate wars, they can ignite wars (recall the Korean war) instead.

If the USA launches a war against Iran, as it did Iraq, and if I were the Chinese or the Russian leadership, I certainly would see this US action as one more step to contain China (in desperate need of oil and already almost burst with anger at the Taiwan situation) or Russia (from super power to rags thanks to the US), I certainly would do all I could to help sabotage the US war effort, further damage the US relations with the rest of the world, and damage its already falling economy. Would any one of you not if you were Chinese or Russian?

Therefore, I think that China and Russia and all other countries that have political and economical interest in Iran and the Middle East will protect their own interest by sabotaging the US interest, all the way to an escalation of the war of an unanticipated degree. But any other signficant countries will avoid fighting a direct war against the US. Countries like the US, Russia, China, etc. are like world-class chess players, they will quit many steps before checkmate when they see it coming clearly, as long as they can see it coming (in many a historical case, they didn't).

And to go off topic, I think the nuclear-bundling policy may be the only effective way to avoid a nuclear war. For that reason, the nuclear powers should sit down and find a way to destroy all nuclear weapons. For God's sake, the US should love this idea as it has the most powerful conventional arsenal in this world!
November 4th, 2004  
Bratwurst
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
You got a problem with preventing Iran's nuclear ambitions? Why do you mock?
Why? Simple:

Why do you reckon there are so many individuals happy to kill anything with a US passport?

I detest the bloody logic of attacking somebody who might in a hypothetical constellation, that is founded on prejudice, hypocrisy, ignorance and fear, use force.

See how we meanwhile treat muslims in our "enlightened" country. Take a long look at our own huge stockpile of WMDs. Consult a history book and read about how many wars Iran has incited.

What will this lead to?

I fear the consequences of another war in the region far more than Iran's nuclear capabilities. We will create the enemies we are frantically searching for to feed our war machinery.

The Iran is peaceful compared to us, but for how long? Their society may be based on principles we mock ourselves of having outgrown, yet a growing part of our people are religious fundamentalists as well. A quarter of Americans call themselves "born again" Christians, reject basic science, fail to perceive the Bible as a source of morality to be taken literally. I know how they treat people of different conviction.

We discriminate in our own country, cut individual rights by things like the Patriot (laughable) act and what not...

So what can we hold against Iran that we don't lack ourselves?

They harbour terrorists. Nice punch-line. They should be motivated to cooperate on this, yes. How can that be achieved? At gunpoint? Who are you kidding?

Would you cooperate? Yeah right... I would nod, grin, nod and grin until the gun is down and then pound some teeth through the back of a thick skull.

Our mission should be fighting terrorism that threatens us. The smart way - not bomb the crap out of nations that are struggling to advance to where we are, or better said should be.

Iraq is a huge mess. Let's clean up first and try to LEARN a bit from our obvious mistakes before we rush to the next trap to bring bombs and burgers to the heathen.

My 2 cents...
November 4th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
i dont believe it will be the US or iran who start another war in the middle-east. i believe it will be israel. i believe this because i cant see israel letting iran build up what it will see as a nuclear arsenal and as they did against iraq they will bomb the reactors and development sites. they can only do this with american help though as there planes dont have the range, and i think bush will give them the support for the raids if they do happen.