Eastern Asia territorial claims




 
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Boots
 
February 26th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 

Topic: Eastern Asia territorial claims


i have found this an interesting topic, especially when it comes to this area of densely populated countries argueing on political, historical and economic terms

it is no doubt that countries like south korea, japan, china and even vietnam are in a claiming situation about a couple islands in the eastern china sea, southern china sea and the korean strait

1) diaoyu island, historically chinese posession, however the agressive japs took it, probably buthered the people living on there because there was no news of the fishermen that lives on that island anymore. the japanese claims that island to such an extent that they are even willing to decrease the diplomatic position with china.

2) Eastern china sea claims: by international standards and logic, the sea from mainland china about 200 miles ( correct me if im wrong) is suppose to be under the rights of china.. however, japanse government wanted that area because they have a couple measly islands next the to sea, and wanted the sea to themselves. however as logic goes and international procedures goes, the sea next to the MAINLAND is in the right claim, thereby china is suppose to be allowed the possession of that sea..

3) the paracel islands is claimed by china, malaysia, and vietnam. these tiny island chains is in the middle of the south china sea, currently temporty military compounds are built on these islands, with many in vietnamese possessions in the western part of it. the mad news is that this is a base for viet fisherman, who goes into chinese seas with guns to go fishing, and blasting any chinese ship down with their guns.

4) japanese and korean island dispute : http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...ore&sec=latest

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Activists ripped and burned Japanese flags outside Japan's embassy in Seoul on Thursday to protest Tokyo's territorial claim to a group of tiny islands controlled by South Korea.

The protest - the second in a week - follows comments by Japanese Ambassador Toshiyuki Takano on Wednesday, when he called the islets "historically and legally part of the Japanese territory.''

The rocky volcanic islets, 90 kilometers (55 miles) east of South Korea's Ullung Island off the country's east coast, have caused diplomatic friction between the two countries for years.

They are surrounded by rich fishing grounds.

The islands are called Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan. South Korea has stationed a small detachment of police on the otherwise uninhabited islands, effectively controlling them.

"Dismantle the Japanese Embassy!'' shouted 10 men in front of the embassy in central Seoul.

They tore and burned Japanese flags and pictures of Takano, demanding that he leave South Korea.

Several shirtless protesters tried to barge into the embassy but were stopped by riot police.

No arrest was reported.

On Monday, the same group of activists set fire to a vehicle outside the embassy.

The protests came as lawmakers in Japan's Shimane prefecture (state), which claims jurisdiction over the islets, are pushing to designate Feb. 22 as a "Takeshima Day'' to celebrate the day when Japan claims it established military control over the islets in 1905 during the Russo-Japanese war.

The plan has drawn fierce criticism from Seoul.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry called it "an act of impingement'' on South Korean sovereignty over the islets and demanded that the prefecture immediately drop the idea.

South Korean activists have also pushed for their government to establish a "Dokdo Day'' on Oct. 25 _ the date South Korea officially declared its sovereignty over the islets in 1900.

South Korea says the islands have belonged to their country since 512, and were incorporated after liberation from Japanese colonial rule in 1945. - AP



opinions?
February 26th, 2005  
Xion
 
would never try to mess with any North Korean / South Korean soldiers , they look so stern and disciplined it scares the shit outta me , especially those guarding the 38th parallel
February 26th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
If the islands "don't belong to Korea" let's say we're taking it for World War II compensation
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Boots
February 27th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
man redneck 13, joing ur countrymen, support the drive to get back ur islands that is also claimed by the japanese, seen on tv ur countrymen had fought out and tried to comdemn japs actions.

besides these islands, there are more land disuptes onland and more, according to these clashes, will there be a war soon about these claims?
February 28th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Complicated mess. Every country in the area has some territorial dispute with somebody else over an island or some other chunk of land. Nobody that I am aware of has control of everything that they believe should be theirs. This is a large part of what makes Southeast Asia so potentially volatile.

Japan wants some islands back from Russia. I beileve that Russia has some territorial border dispute with China. China wants several islands that are currently under the control of Japan or Vietnam or whoever else. Is there anybody in SE Asia that isn't disputing something at this point?
February 28th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
lol, vietnamese ones are especially non-sense its just a base for attacking chinese fishermen
February 28th, 2005  
lemontree
 
China's claim on the Spartly islands and Paracel islands is only for obtaining oil resources and not for historical reasons. As per the under mentioned website China's historical claims quite weak and negates similar claims by other countries.
http://www.american.edu/projects/man...ce/spratly.htm
March 1st, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
so does other countries' claims...

everybody wants more oil.....more everything..

japan claims Diaoyu island.....for oil under it....too!
March 2nd, 2005  
Snauhi
 
tooo many Chinees topics.
March 2nd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
There's no oil in Dokdo.
But anyways there's not going to be war. I don't know what's up with you guys but most of us don't get a friggin' orgasm over a war happening. Chances are this is going to be a hot political topic that'll go on for a while.

Japan's claims to it come from their days of annexing Korea. They took Dokdo along with the rest of the country and the island played a role in the Russo-Japanese war.

The ISSUE is that the first OFFICIALLY documented resident of Dokdo (or Takeshima if you're on Japan's side on this) was in fact, Japanese. Under the letter of the law, that means the ownership goes to Japan. Even though pretty much everyone knows that a group of Koreans were the original inhabitants (even has photos of them during World War II) they were not registered because hey, Korea's network of officially noting down people didn't stretch to those islands at the time.