Dutch war on Terror? - Page 2




 
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November 9th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Some cultures tend to fit in well, while others don't. It depends on the nature of the host's culture and the culture of the culture that's been planted there.
I cannot recall a single incident where Japanese or Chinese minorities overseas actually caused huge problems.
Korea has one with the LA riots.
But with some, trouble seems to be the rule, not the exception.
November 9th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
If the European nations suppress Islam (even if a little bit) due to an attack on them, it will only inflame them more. They'll get more members in whatever Islamist radical movement......
November 9th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Quote:
"Chocobo_Blitzer""Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future." - Adolf Hitler
Typically a Terrorist.
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November 9th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Indeed, Frog. You're the first one to mention my quote, it's pretty errie if you ask me!
November 9th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
So Herr Hitler wasn't such a fool after all. Probably the drugs screwed him up as the war went on.

Anyhow.
so if you crack down you lose
if you do nothing you lose

interesting.
Of course there's always that no longer available option of cracking down severely. But then again that means throwing out freedom of speech, thought and expression.
November 10th, 2004  
rOk
 
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Of course there's always that no longer available option of cracking down severely. But then again that means throwing out freedom of speech, thought and expression.
There's always cattle cars for the disobedient...but that automatically qualifyies as human rights abuse, but frankly I don't give a f**k.
November 10th, 2004  
Kick_in_the_eye
 
Before these theories go to far... I see a true danger here when lack of knowledge turns into something "demonize the enemy".

Islam does recognize other religions and they do tolerate them. Back in the Medieval times, when Europe was burning witches, Jews and Christians were tolerated within Islam and lived side by side. And yes, even today this is so; Cairo as an example, has plenty of Churches.

Islam has an enemy by default, and it's Pagans. A Pagan is defined as an enemy of Islam, that is: a person or people that wish to destroy Islam and their beliefs. In that case they are entitled to self-defence.

Jews weren't the enemy in the 30'ies (the hatred versus Jews wasn't isolated to Germany), and Muslims aren't the enemy today.
November 10th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
I look at it like this..... Fear can be a powerful tool and with fear as an allie you dont have to much to loose. I have seen what fear can do with people trough the history, Adolf Hitler is mentioned and with good reasons. Well he was not the perfect leader thats for sure, I am not a neo-nazi or a rasist, my half-sister is married with a african man and I got relatives in spain, italy, russia, finland, US, so I am not a perfect arier even if I got blue eyes and blond hair and have all the characteristic features that would make me a A-child in the former nazi germany.

Point is that Hitler and he´s advisors did know how to deal with the masses and gain support for the war plans and the third riech. I do belive that our different gov are doing the same and this time as always telling all people a healthy white little lie. The subject this time is tolerance and Islam and the thought that it will notl effect our way of life. I dont think but I know what this Islamist movements are aiming for, this is nothing else then a gradually infiltration of every major city and country and their weapons are not AK47s or human waves with dynamit strapped against the thorax, these are smart bombs as I see them.

They are living weapons that strive for a new takeover, no question about it, every historical and religious investigation on the subject talks one and the same language, and the message are clear to everyone that takes themselfe time too look it up. Nobelprise winner autor V.s. Naipaul`s book Beyond Belief- I recomend everyone to read that book if you still think Islam is a tolerant religion. Take a good look into that book and learn from the reality. Not from the mainstream political correct picture with Utopia minded and totaly freaked out explanations about the reality and the truth behind this truly shocking pictorial fantasy language.

I dare to speak out and tell everyone what I think from my studies of recognized authors and our history as well as religion, to those that think I am full of it to say that our different gov, are just stalling and nothing else, I say you have not paid attention in school or in class. You have listen to jambo mambo b******t and your ears are in serious need of a cleaning. Maby a cold bath would wake you up and face the reality? I heard our own equality minister yesturday speaking of that we as a people in Europe would be a minority in the future that is 25-50 years from now. He sad I quote - we might be a minority in the future so if we treat them (muslims) good, we stand a better chance.

That is to make things clear for people, some of our leaders has allready accepted this, probably a big part of the public to but not everybody. Maby some of them that talks about this peaceful period of transition dont have to live and see it with their own eyes, what the f*** do I care. My children will live and probably I will have grandchildren too. And my daughter will not wear a Burka or clothing of the Middle Ages so she can go and shoop without getting stoned to death on a football stadium if caught by the local fashion police. I strongly advice everyone that has a library to run down and borrow the book Beyond Belief by author V.s. Naipaul, and get the picture and the reality before demonizing everyone that speaks out about this silent takeover as I see it.

That book is the reality in a box and if you have a hard time to read it, I do understand you because you dont get the prize if you slender about this type of things. Holland will have problems in the future as every other European nation. What do people need to understand this? Another bomb in a trainstation? Another building to blow up? A bomb in the local café or another dead critic Journalist, Author, Director? As fast as a gov doing anything against these types of critism you got an answer. The answer is bloody and If you like it so be it, but I dont recall that type of defence as defence but surrender of democratic solutions and capitulate to domestic enemys without taking the democratic counter messures that is needed to face this type of enemy I call and recognize as high treason.

I dont say that civilian people should take the law in their own hands to defend our freedom loving society. I say our leaders have to react before it is to late or we will wake up in the morning to the loud sound of speakers from the Islam praying towers and your women have to see the world trough a eye aperture and live behind the electric stove with 7 children to guide to the local Koran school every morning, where your children wont get anything of what you, I , and our relatives have built up intellectual and with knowledge.

You can forget everything that you may have today right know if you accept this silent period of transition, or you can speak up and tell your leaders to do something to protect the freedom and our way of life. The choice is yours and as some say in sweden - When the goal glorifies the means of getting there you can act tollerant and very civilised in our western eyes as long as the goals are forfilled. Wake up people.

The open explanations and the "truth" served by our different weak gov`s today I personaly dont give a bottle of horse piss for. They who say that critism against Islam in generall are theories or figments of the imagination or dangerous accusations are rigth in one way or another when the accusations against this religion and culture built up around this religion are based on unfounded accusations. However when this amniotic fluid cracks around this bubble I really really hope that people are ready to face their judges. It is judgement day today in 50 years from now ladies and gentlemen, even if you want to or not want to accept the hard truth.

But that is how it is and nothing is going to stop that because there are no armies in the world that can defeat whole nations and peoples indifferent towards this problem and that is a fact, even if I maby have to wait 25-50 years to see the new world I hope that I am still here when it happens though. I would not like to miss it for anything in this world. A good roar of laughter extends life someone told me. If it is Holland that will be hit first I wait and see. It will spread as Marksmen say, Some cultures tend to fit in well, while others don't as the_13th_redneck say and as Italian Guy says "European" way to tolerance, has proved uncapable of dealing with the clash of cultures, that is also a very good and true observation and rOk has seen the genuine problem without getting to emotional. There is more authors on this forum that have good points of views even amongs the critics to everything offensive so I recall all this as hope for another maby 10-15 years of freedom and way of life as we are used to I think 8)

Cheers:
Doc.S

November 10th, 2004  
Bratwurst
 
Quote:
The most multicultural society in Europe, shining example of the "European" way to tolerance, has proved uncapable of dealing with the clash of cultures.
Wow, that is scary stuff.

I'd rather be living directly in a Mosque, although those things are noisy as hell, than have neighbours with this kind of... let me formulate it politically correct and call it "interpretation of facts".

There is an incident related to an Islamist and one thought away it gets bloated to proof of a cultural war.

In honour of this I'm going to eat out at the Egyptian restaurant around the corner tonight. A hot Syrian chick works there. It's possibly going to get messy. Please do me the favour and do not liberate me, even if I scream...
November 10th, 2004  
rOk
 
 
SWAT moves into the action...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html