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All of the above notwithstanding the Jews were a minority at, and prior to that time as previously shown here and never were a majority in that land until 1948+ Recognised sources have been provided on this Forum numerous times to demonstrate this. There is no legitimacy in the claim of those returning after 1850ish as they had not lived there for 1200 years or more, just as I have no claim on land owned by my ancestors in England 150 years ago. In fact the Jews per se have less claim to the land than almost any of those who have lived there for the last 3000 years. You have also conveniently overlooked the fact that the British had previously promised this territory to the Palestinians for their own state in return for their assistance against the Turks in WWI. |
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Apologies to my friend Seno for my sharp words (knee-jerk reaction) but I am glad to see that I have now engaged attention to discuss the matter of historical presence in the region properly and carefully, and hopefully leaving out the politics for the moment.
I have shown before here :- That DNA has established the presence of the Jews in the region from -pre-Canaan and Canaan times, beyond 4000 years back. DNA establishes that nearly all Askenazi and Sephardi Jews share this , including European Jews. And that the Jews were part of the multi facetted group Canaanites, those of Canaa, largely traders. This presence carries through the whole period, to a greater or lesser degree, dependant always on removal by holocaust , never by a wish to abandon their lands. I have presented an accurate chronological account of the historical presence from then til now, from public domain sources, without reliance on solely biblical references. They are the only occupants who developed Kingdoms, governments, and a state with Jerusalem as it's capital from some 1300 BC to AD 70, which was destroyed by the Roman holocaust which physically drove them from their lands. Archeological evidence supports all of this. I presented the detailed description of this devastating genocidal slaughter; from Josephus, the Roman historian, not from biblical source. None of the above can be dismissed, and no others have any such claim as to who they are or were, other than that they are Arabs drawn from the expanse of Arabia, not of any seperate known stock. I will be interested in perusing any other such claim. Today the Arabs have almost all of Israel's kingdoms. For example, this claim of the Jews to a homeland in a tiny strip of the old kingdoms is a far, far greater claim than even Seno has to live in Australia, by the exact same measure as he puts forward. Even the datelines of 1800 put forward is precise in making that comparison; the timing of the white invasion of Australia. OK, there's a little start; I am prepared to scroll back through my posts to re-produce the points I have again mentioned here, if I am asked to. THE WHITE INVASION OF AUSTRALIA. (an Australian view of Australia) Jan 1788 -- British capitalist invasion of Australia commenced. Indiginous population said to be around 1,000,000, speaking some 300 languages.They are soon to be reduced to beggary in their own country. From 1790 – white settlements around Sydney attacked. Soldiers sent to destroy all Aboriginal peoples met. From 1820 - Expanding wool market in Britain results in a huge-scale wholesale land grab by the invaders. 1824 - Martial Law. By 1842 generalised warfare from Port Phillip into Queensland. Until 1890’s unspeakable atrocities against Aboriginals. Solicitor-General of Tasmania:- ‘If you cannot capture them, destroy them’. Evidence in Victoria government files that ‘ poisoned damper’ was fed to men, women and children. 1839 – ‘For sheep run it was necessary to slaughter natives right and left. Found some 20 bodies in a mass grave. A settler in a new country is obliged to do this or abandon it’. Australian society had developed “ vicious racism. “ A system of ‘protection’ attempted to control every aspect of the lives of the indigenous peoples, but allowed continuing extermination. 1860- Robert O’Hara Burke,- ‘ I had been born and bred a member of the ruling race in a conquered country and could not bring myself to associate with natives’. 1864- North Australia – profits from cattle brought about the destruction and enslavement of the Aboriginal peoples. Individual’s scores of death tolls were notched on guns, in the hundreds. By 1888 – Three waves of invasion had been inflicted upon the Aboriginal peoples -- Convicts, Sheep and Cattle occupied the land they had cared for over COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 2007/8 – It is said that Aboriginal people can still be killed with impunity by forces of the state; vested interests do not want them strong and healthy living on their lands; pastoralists and billion-dollar interests are shoving them off. In the Northern Territory, governments are still stealing their land and calling it ‘protection’. The Aboriginal peoples are still demanding justice and recognition that “ EVERY INCH OF THIS COUNTRY IS STOLEN ABORIGINAL LAND.” |
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Once you have achieved that you can start importing "Australians" from around the world and use that as a justification to take more land until eventually the locals who were really only rejected French and German descendants anyway can have small blocks of land not required by returning Australians. If anyone questions this action remember to hide behind the argument that many of your ancestors were moved forcibly to Australia in the first place, I am also aware that many Australians are from other parts of the world but in the end they are still Australians so they have every right to return to their historical homeland of Britain. There ya go problem solved sure you get lousy weather but think of the cheap European holidays. Oh and Del Boy if you are planning some form of rebellion remember we don't like terrorists so just be a good lad and hand over the keys when he arrives. |
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Of course MontyB, I'm about to book my ticket. I'm going to be a wealthy absentee Land lord in Northumberland, Cumberland and Durham who will live in one of my many houses in London. Liverpool street station will have to go as it is built in land owned partly by my Gt Gt Grandfather, and it looks like that gherkin shaped monstrosity at 30 St Mary Axe, will have to be surrendered as that is also partly mine along with the site of the black Lion Inn in Petticoat lane and another on Commercial road.
Did I just hear a Merry go Round?? Ah well, one last ride I guess, it's so hard to resist when the rides are free and the owner so absolutely witless. The Federal Government now rent this country, as we are paying every Aboriginal person including many whiter than I am, RENT. It is called The Reconciliation Payment and is paid over and above any other payments to any person able to show any Aboriginal blood. The country was not colonised by myself or my relatives, but it was, if you remember a dumping ground for England's criminals, so I guess the responsible persons had better come back and clean up the mess they left. The earliest of my relations only arrived in 1869 a century after the First Fleet, by which time there had been laws in place making the killing of Aboriginals except as self defence, a hanging offence for nearly 40 years. Unlike Israel where the occupiers still have an Apartheid system in place and are dispossessing, harassing, beating and murdering the legitimate owners to this day, and then totally ignoring criticism from the civilised world at large.The latest affair being the admitted general acceptance within the Army of knowledge of Palestinian children being used as target practice for snipers. It's a pretty good sign that the Israelis know that they are on notice from the free world when they won't even send their Military representatives overseas for fear of them being dragged before war crimes tribunals or the International Courts of Justice. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...n-visit-arrest Australia was colonised 200 years ago when colonisation was an accepted practice, not after WWII when virtually all other countries were divesting themselves of their colonies. So in short, there is no comparison whatsoever. Also the aboriginals know that if the whites left, they would immediately become an Indonesian province or Chinese colony, and they know what that would mean. So the present arrangement is very willingly accepted. Tell me more DB, as the people you speak of are probably more closely related to you than I. |
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"Israel temporarily occupied and built settlements in the Sinai - only to abandon them." So, they built it to abandon it? That's kinda weird, isn't it? The last thing, I find your article completely biased. At the very least, look what you spoke of, 1967 war and 1979 treaty. Where did the 1973 war go? Which is a direct reason for the treaty? How did the outcome of this war affect the treaty? Had Israel won this war, probably there wouldn't be a treaty and Israel would keep enjoying Egyptian oilfields in the Sinai? If also they intended to leave, why on the 15th of July, 1967 the Israelis went to the center of the Suez canal raising their flag and demanding their "right" of half of the canal? Let me tell you something, Israel might be willing to give land back, but when? When others sign a "peace" treaty with Israeli terms. ![]() |
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A little reminder of the FACTS of the matter.
I have shown before here :- That DNA has established the presence of the Jews in the region from -pre-Canaan and Canaan times, beyond 4000 years back. DNA establishes that nearly all Askenazi and Sephardi Jews share this , including European Jews. And that the Jews were part of the multi facetted group Canaanites, those of Canaa, largely traders. This presence carries through the whole period, to a greater or lesser degree, dependant always on removal by holocaust , never by a wish to abandon their lands. I have presented an accurate chronological account of the historical presence from then til now, from public domain sources, without reliance on solely biblical references. They are the only occupants who developed Kingdoms, governments, and a state with Jerusalem as it's capital from some 1300 BC to AD 70, which was destroyed by the Roman holocaust which physically drove them from their lands. Archeological evidence supports all of this. I presented the detailed description of this devastating genocidal slaughter; from Josephus, the Roman historian, not from biblical source. None of the above can be dismissed, and no others have any such claim as to who they are or were, other than that they are Arabs drawn from the expanse of Arabia, not of any seperate known stock. I will be interested in perusing any other such claim. Today the Arabs have almost all of Israel's kingdoms. For example, this claim of the Jews to a homeland in a tiny strip of the old kingdoms is a far, far greater claim than even Seno has to live in Australia, by the exact same measure as he puts forward. Even the datelines of 1800 put forward is precise in making that comparison; the timing of the white invasion of Australia. OK, there's a little start; I am prepared to scroll back through my posts to re-produce the points I have again mentioned here, if I am asked to. THE WHITE INVASION OF AUSTRALIA. (an Australian view of Australia) Jan 1788 -- British capitalist invasion of Australia commenced. Indiginous population said to be around 1,000,000, speaking some 300 languages.They are soon to be reduced to beggary in their own country. From 1790 – white settlements around Sydney attacked. Soldiers sent to destroy all Aboriginal peoples met. From 1820 - Expanding wool market in Britain results in a huge-scale wholesale land grab by the invaders. 1824 - Martial Law. By 1842 generalised warfare from Port Phillip into Queensland. Until 1890’s unspeakable atrocities against Aboriginals. Solicitor-General of Tasmania:- ‘If you cannot capture them, destroy them’. Evidence in Victoria government files that ‘ poisoned damper’ was fed to men, women and children. 1839 – ‘For sheep run it was necessary to slaughter natives right and left. Found some 20 bodies in a mass grave. A settler in a new country is obliged to do this or abandon it’. Australian society had developed “ vicious racism. “ A system of ‘protection’ attempted to control every aspect of the lives of the indigenous peoples, but allowed continuing extermination. 1860- Robert O’Hara Burke,- ‘ I had been born and bred a member of the ruling race in a conquered country and could not bring myself to associate with natives’. 1864- North Australia – profits from cattle brought about the destruction and enslavement of the Aboriginal peoples. Individual’s scores of death tolls were notched on guns, in the hundreds. By 1888 – Three waves of invasion had been inflicted upon the Aboriginal peoples -- Convicts, Sheep and Cattle occupied the land they had cared for over COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 2007/8 – It is said that Aboriginal people can still be killed with impunity by forces of the state; vested interests do not want them strong and healthy living on their lands; pastoralists and billion-dollar interests are shoving them off. In the Northern Territory, governments are still stealing their land and calling it ‘protection’. The Aboriginal peoples are still demanding justice and recognition that “ EVERY INCH OF THIS COUNTRY IS STOLEN ABORIGINAL LAND.”[/QUOTE] |
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