Did we have the right to change the government in Iraq?




 
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July 6th, 2004  
SniperWannabee
 

Topic: Did we have the right to change the government in Iraq?


For me this is a very hard questian to answer because some of my friends that are Iraqi say yes and no. I myself cannot answer, but to me your answers can do me some good.



Mod Edit: Moved the Post from History to here.
July 6th, 2004  
thebrahmagr81
 
 
Is there really any correct answer to this question I think not only onecan speculate. Put yourself in their place, imagine some power house coming into our country, take out our leadership and then tell us that we are going to run our country like they run theirs because it will be better for mankind. I mean I am not defending Sadaam or anyone I just think that would kind of be hard to swallow. The only one that knows if it is right or not is the Lord above because he has all the answers whether we can see them or not is up to him, but what would be the point if we had the answer to all of lifes questions. I think that something had to be done because there was a potential threat to the Iraqis, Americans and the whole world. Weapons of mass destruction and Sadaam are things that shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont think it matters if it was right or not I think what is more important is what is going to happen now. All the people that have already sacrficed their lifes and for what, do we really know. God bless the troops and their families!!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
I just tell you that: hadn't the US decided to wage war against my country 60 yrs ago, and changed the government, I wouldn't be here now, maybe.
Hadn't it intervened in Germany, Japan, South Korea and other tons of countries they would have been poor and not free now.
If you believe in something, forget about philosophy or hyperlegalism.
I don't mean do what you want or total anarchy by that, I'm just saying sometimes - yeah changing a government is a good thing. And I dont see the point of wondering whether it was right or wrong to overthrow Saddam's rule over Iraq.
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July 7th, 2004  
Mark Conley
 
 
well i dont think there was really much to change.

Saddam was the absolute dictator of Iraq. althogh he had ministers to do the work, essentially all decisions were left up to him.

i dont really understand the type government put in to replace his. anyone want to shed some light on its actual mechanics?

July 7th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
meyby it would be better if Iraqis got to vote..
July 8th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
meyby it would be better if Iraqis got to vote..
Right, thats precisely the schedule that the Americans have always had in similar cases. This time it's gonna be January at the latest.

you are smart enough to understand that it takes at least a couple of months before 20 mill people in a country like that be able to hold regular elections.
They havent had regular elections forever, I guess it will only be good if they now wait 3 more months, Snauhi.
Remember it took 5 yrs of military occupation in Japan before a Constitution was signed and elections were held. Look at Japan now. Ok apart from that weird phototaking dna gene of theirs.
July 21st, 2004  
Linnea
 
Imagine growing up wearing the clothes you want and listening to your music and having freedom. Then BAM one day some angry people come into your country, take out the president and kill half the country and try to tell you that you can't wear those clothes or listen to that music, the music, clothes and freedom you grew up with never knowing different. I am so sure that you wouldn't fight back(NOT!)

The U.S. wouldn't take it and why should they. I know Saddam was horrible for their country but shit happens for a reason. There are so many bad things going on the in the world that is the U.S. going to try to run to the rescue and save the day. I think not.

How does the outcome of war lead to peace? There are so many deaths and so many tragedies during war how is that one bit peaceful?

"If we let them be, maybe just maybe they will leave us be."
July 21st, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Right or Wrong now west have poked their noses into a hell hole and If US really want buisness this time they have to understand that they have to finish this once and for all, and to make that happend they have to change all middle east nations gouvernments or they will pay as Europe with much more blood than we can imagine. But that will not happend and a convertion of millions of Islamists in a rage, fuming in every moske there is on this planet against our lifestyle. So no, I donīt think it was right to change gouvernment in Iraq or in Afghanistan.




Why? Because all have to understand that those peoples are ruled by a very small elite. Our allies today can easily be overruned towmorrow by fundamentalists that donīt give a damn about civilian death casualtis or their own deaths because they do not have our christian values and they donīt have the understanding of human life as we have in these nations that we call west, and when that day comes when Pakistan or some other nuclear nation gets enough and tells the friday prayer crowd that its time to get ridd of us.



I hope my spaceshuttle is on it`s way to the other side of this galaxy by than because at that time Hell will rule on this earth and Adolf Hitler, Stalin you name it will look pretty harmless when these guys take charge and begin their holy war on more places than in their own countries and US soil and Spanish soil. If you get your troops out of these coalitions and think that if we just sit still and donīt bother them they will keep their hands of us. You are eather a fool or a naiv psyko that is praying for another world in the name of Islam. You just have to read the british writer V.S. Naipaul nobelprise winner 2001 Beyond Beliefe and you will experiance the true nature of the Islam and their real goals with there religion.



The final takeover is not far away so now when the damage is allready done and almost at it`s peak we can just sit down and let them kill us of one after one or the gouvernments that have protected this maniacs and evil peoples can take there responsibility and get rid of them before the big one is here to wipe us of this damn planet once and for all. This is why it isnīt right to attack nations like Iraq or Afghanistan if you dont finish the job, then you wont win anything in the long end!



If it sounds like Iam demonising people, well maby I do, these middle eastern peoples and their Islam, they stone women to death if the woman has been raped for crying out loud! Does that sound normal and human to you? They are nothing less than women oppressors, and their whole religion is based on that. So yes, maby I am demonising them but I have a darn good reason aswell look at the freaking sharia laws they give me the shiver!




Cheers:
Doc.S

July 21st, 2004  
Spartan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linnea
Imagine growing up wearing the clothes you want and listening to your music and having freedom. Then BAM one day some angry people come into your country, take out the president and kill half the country and try to tell you that you can't wear those clothes or listen to that music, the music, clothes and freedom you grew up with never knowing different. I am so sure that you wouldn't fight back(NOT!)

The U.S. wouldn't take it and why should they. I know Saddam was horrible for their country but shit happens for a reason. There are so many bad things going on the in the world that is the U.S. going to try to run to the rescue and save the day. I think not.

How does the outcome of war lead to peace? There are so many deaths and so many tragedies during war how is that one bit peaceful?
"If we let them be, maybe just maybe they will leave us be."
okay, to begin with, I doubt they were allowed to wear what clothes they wanted and listen to what music they wanted to at any time. Secondly, with a democracy this will be possible. "How does the outcome of war lead to peace" Well, I suppose it would be preferable to you that WWII never occured, and the entire jewish population, for the most part, would be wiped out. Nazi Germany would rule much of Europe, but hey, everyone would be happy, right? War is sometimes the nest solution. Not always, but sometimes. And Doc S. is 100% right on "if we leave them be, maybe they will leave us be." We pretty much left them alone, but then we had the 1st WTC bombing, and then, we had the USS Cole, and The embassy bombing's and probably more. There are so many I can't even remember. Oh yeah, and then we had 9/11. Don't tell me that bull about how they'll leave us alone if we don't bother them. We HELPED them (War against the soviets in Afghanistan) and they have remained ungrateful and hostile. This is a problem that needs to be ended immediatley.
July 21st, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan
We HELPED them (War against the soviets in Afghanistan) and they have remained ungrateful and hostile. This is a problem that needs to be ended immediatley.
Yes, um .. probably best to use another example, especially since the US were the ones that armed the tribes and lured the Russians into Afghanistan to begin with. Afterall, Russia was our enemy at the time.