Hi guys!

I have always been interested in the creation of Israel state. Mainly all the problems that we have with the muslim word are in a way or another relationated with this event that took place in 1948; the UN Resolution 181 partitioned the territory of the British Mandate for Palestine into two states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The Arabs objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against it. The Arab side lost the war, and the Palestinian state never really came into being. The territory allotted to the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was taken over by Israel and Jordan, in these days they are not still allowed to come back home.

I think that the creation of this state was necesary, after WW II there was a huge stateless human mass that needed a territory where develop. I disagree in the way this state was created, I disagree in the way not in the purpose. I will explain my self, but before I would like to clarify some things in order to understand better the situation:

a)During the British Mandate, both of the parts, jews and Palestinians practiced the terrorism. Jewish terrorism was lots more brutal than arab. We just have to remember events like King David Hotel bombing were 90 people were killed. The first jewish terrorist group was Ha-Shomer (Guild of Watchman) established in 1909. It was a small group of Jewish immigrants who guarded settlements for an annual fee. At no time did the group have more than 100 members. In 1936 the Haganah (The role of the Haganah was to guard the Jewish Kibbutzim and farms ) fielded 10,000 mobilized men along with 40,000 reservists. During the Great Uprising 1936-1939, it participated actively to protect British interests and to quell Arab insurgence. Although the British administration didn't officially recognize the Haganah the British Security Forces cooperated with it by forming the Jewish Settlement Police, Jewish Auxiliary Forces and Special Night Squads. In 1937, the most right-wing elements of Haganah formed Irgun Zvai-Leumi. They were discontented with the policy of restraint when faced with British and Arab pressure. Irgun and their off-shoot, the Stern gang terrorist group, became well-known for their clandestine combat method

b)Before the creation of jewish terrorist groups there were some Arab riots: 1.-Warning signs: During their annual spring festival Nebi Musa (Prophet Moses), Muslims march from Jerusalem on the road to Jericho to where they believe Moses is buried. In the years predating 1920, these processions were marked by intimidation of Christian communities on their way. 2.- After Emir Faisal I had agreed to the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine by signing the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919,the Jerusalem Mayor Musa Khazim al-Husayni, rejected this agreement made in their name and relations between Arabs and Jews worsened. This agreement was rejected because it did not meet the conditions that Prince Faisal wrote next to his signature, which rendered the agreement non-binding. This condition was that an independent Syrian state be created prior to the agreement taking effect. It is worth noting that this state was never created during Prince Faisal's reign. 3.- April 4-7 1920: During a procession on April 4, 1920, inflammatory anti-Semitic rhetoric led to rioting in Jerusalem. One of the inciters was Hajj Amin al-Husayni, a young nephew of the mayor of Jerusalem, another was the editor of the newspaper Suriya al-Janubia ("Southern Syria") Aref al-Aref, who delivered his speech on horseback. The Arab mob went on to ransack the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, beating anyone they could find and looting shops and homes. The riots lasted for four days. Fatalities: 5 Jews, 4 Arabs. Wounded: 216 Jews (18 critically), 23 Arabs (1 critically), 7 British soldiers

c) Other interesting point is how the creation was made, check this link to see how was the partition of Palestine map: http://www.passia.org/palestine_fact...plan-reso.html See the diference in coast km? Israel had 273, Palestine 25!Other point are the natural resources, the Israeli land is lots richer, for example in: copper, phosphates, bromide, potash, clay, sand, sulfur, asphalt, manganese, small amounts of natural gas and crude oil.We also have the water problem: http://www.passia.org/publications/r...er-forward.htm Don you think this is a fare division???????

d) To finish, many countries said that during the votation of UN Resolution 181 they suffered tons of presion from US to give a favourable vote to the creation of Israel ( We all know that in US there is a very important and influyent jewish lobby)

What do you guys think??

I think like this..

Very sarcastic!!
However, I did not say that the creation of Israel was unjust, I just said that it should have been done in a diferent way. Giving the rich and with sea part to ones and the desert to anothers is not very fare.

Originally Posted by Snauhi

I think like this..

Judging from other images in that site, I reckon this one is not meant to be sarcastic. They do actually want Israel to fully control the West Bang and Gaza strip.

I fully agree above, the site is supported and created by Pro-Zionists.

I've got the general idea of their ideals by reading several topics of the site's forums, many in which are anti-Palestinian.

Oh no, zionists! run way, run away... Common.

Either way, staurofilakes, we had this discussion before... The dvision was mainly done by demographics, Israel got the parts that were largly inhabited by Jews. The Galil, probably the Riches agricultre ground in Palestine/Israel, was given to the Arabs. So were Judea and Sameria, which are very good for agriculture. Israel was given an almost impossibly nerrow strip of shore, and the Negev, a desolate desert.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

Oh no, zionists! run way, run away... Common.

Of course it is common.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

Oh no, zionists! run way, run away... Common.

Either way, staurofilakes, we had this discussion before... The dvision was mainly done by demographics, Israel got the parts that were largly inhabited by Jews. The Galil, probably the Riches agricultre ground in Palestine/Israel, was given to the Arabs. So were Judea and Sameria, which are very good for agriculture. Israel was given an almost impossibly nerrow strip of shore, and the Negev, a desolate desert.

I know we had this discussion once before, but I thought that opening a specific topic would be nice.
Concerning the agriculture I could agree with you, but what about natural resources and water? I aldo do not see very fare that palestinians only got a really short pieze of coast. Having a coast is something vital for the economic develop of a nation. What about the refugees? And the way UNSC resolution 181 was voted?

common.

I meant come on...

I certainly agree that the coast is vital to the any organized society's economic needs and Palestine lacks one, though there are plenty of nations that has no coastal regions at all. UNSC Resolution 181 was voted to split the land into two seperate states Palestine/Israel but overlooked this arguement over Coastal Regions.