Which country threats your nation's security in the future - Page 5




 
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September 27th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
I find it rather amusing that the Chinese have all kinds of "or it's war" stipulations on the Republic of China. Yet in the same breath decry other nations as being aggressive and heavy handed hmmmmmm.

Damien435 What are you doing muddying up Party doctrine with history? Ya know frog is gonna chastise you for that
September 28th, 2004  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: Right...


a few Chinese = 1.2 Billion's opinion. Very funny association.

I, for one, am Chinese. I don't think Koreans are Chinese What do you say about that? I even remember history books never mentioned Koreans were Chinese when I grew up in China. So, please do take those people's opinion with grain of salt. Never worth to debate? So, if others have different view from yours, and different idea of land are not worhy of your time? Well, I guess war starts when you judge others.

And most of Asians are not outward. It is part of their culture. Do you plan to change that or respect that? Maybe you should change your thinking when you talk to them? No? And by stereotyping is not a good move neither, thanks.

And also, the word of "Calculating", every country is calculating. Don't need to single out China.

Damien, if TW don't scream for Independence, why should China fire missiles? In TW, there are half or near amount of people want to reunite with China. Look at the TW election, only because of the attempt assassination (questionable), the nationalists (favor unification) party lost to the democratic party in a very slight differences in ratio. Why is that? And please don't think every human being in that group is afraid of China. And please advice there are native born TW in the wanting-to-unify group.

The U.S. policy towards Pro-TW is to off-set or "contain" the progress of China. Well, I value democracy. Why does the U.S. station in Japan, besides make sure stabilize Asian continent so to speak? To off-set power surge in the region. No?

Like self-actualization studied under Maslow's Personal Growth pyramid, a democracy later outcome. Like self-esteem, it only grows base on the satisfaction of living and wealth. With wars and country's division duringthe last couple of centyries, how could China apply democracy? Don't you think people desire a leader who can feed them instead of rethoric about some system they never experienced once for 5000 years?

How could a poor country instill democracy when tat culture torned by war and occupation? When most you guys talk about democratic system, you guys never really look into if the Chinese really understood what democracy during the last dynastic and the year of waring among warlords, and Japanese invasion.

When you talk about democracy, you blindly apply American's democracy
into the Chinese chaotic era. The U.S. also went through years human right's, liberty, freedom and democratic chaos before it became what is today. Thanks to the hard work of many American people. If you went through a hard time, how can you expect China to be able to change over night when its national identity were crushed by its rigidities and foreign invasions? What you said and implies are matters after the facts.

China wouldn't be controlled by Communists if the Nationalist party backed by the U.S. took up the responsibilities to take care of its people and re-establish pride in its citizens. What do you say about that? All the pain and angers don't just surface after the Communist took control. If the Nationalist were to lay out sound policies to defend, rebuild (not just the cities) and developments like they did to Taiwan these past 20-30 years when it founded Republic of China. PRC would not have become Communist ruled country.

03USMC - Would you fight for your country when separatist starts doing malice in the U.S.? I will. Would you show heavy-handed policy to your soil when otehr butt-into-you face or trying to change forcefully disregard its culture and beliefs? China doesn't want to be another Qing dynasty that got divided by the eight super power ever again.

Back to the comment of Damien made about "liking the rules of Nationalist party". Lol, they liked it. The Generalissimo (Chiang) ruled Taiwan with Iron Fists (I used to live with a Taiwanese couple. Husband was a a ranked officer similar army Col. in Taiwanese navy during the end of Chinese Civil-war and retreated to TW. Wife was native born TW. They both told me the harshness of the Generalissimo when he was in power.) I don't see the U.S. crying foul about that. Please answer that.

His son was also a dictator except he was very keen to economic development and brought much invest development in technical sector to TW according to the couple. Democratic system was not flourished until recently. Look, Taiwan went into economic reform first, not political one. Can you understand that? ECONOMICS > POLITICAL agenda. And China is doing the same thing like TW, to perform Economic restructuring. Why is so hard so of you guys to dig that concept. Please read Maslow's human development Pyramid.

Plus, does China have plan or backup plan with democratic system in place? How does China to port over to full democratic system when its economy still in dependencies? Please tell me you dislike chaos, because China will go into chaos when so much social problems still at bay. Does immediate democratic system resolve the anticipated and unseen problems? Can you guarantee that?

It is a broad issue when dealing with full implementation of democracy. Why no country can be successful in a democratic system immediately? Because they need to go through a development period. Some of you can sit back and blast how democracy rules but you never understand how your forefathers fought and endure pain, tortures, degradation, unequal treatmentd to have you sit in front of screens and mouth others. Can you see China is going through a very tough period? Can you help her to achieve democracy with you accumulated wisdoms instead of gagging her?

If U.S. and other established democratic systems took decades and centuries to become and arrive what is today, I don't see China can establish full and sound democracies just within 10-15 years.

I got to stop ranting
September 28th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
That was so friggin' long.... could you paraphrase it? LOL
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September 28th, 2004  
whosewar2000
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Iran

No! The biggest threat to USA is USA itself. It will implode from inside. I once saw this forum somebody post a tread of "second civil war". I truely believe it.
September 28th, 2004  
Lil Hulk 1988
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whosewar2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Iran

No! The biggest threat to USA is USA itself. It will implode from inside. I once saw this forum somebody post a tread of "second civil war". I truely believe it.
Then you have no understanding of the USA. We have been this way internally since the idea was born, it is part of being free, the ability to disagree and the ability to protest. The American Civil War was fought over idealism and freedom, with a few economics thrown into the fray, we are no where near that separated now.
September 28th, 2004  
whosewar2000
 
[quote="Lil Hulk 1988"]
Quote:
Originally Posted by whosewar2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Iran
The American Civil War was fought over idealism and freedom, .
Sadly so say: Patriot Act is the begining of new civil war. If Bush win, in next four years, richer is getting richer, pooper is getting poorer, no more free speech, otherwise you are not "patriots", Fox news will become USCN (UNITED STATES CENTRAL NEWS). Micheal Moore will be sent to jail. When 2008 come, another terrorist attack suddenly happen, Bush declare "US IS UNDER ATTACk" again and the election will be cancelled.

so, California will declare independence, so will NY....

some liberals or some conservatives launch the nukes
September 28th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Hey uh, erm, "Boobies"

That was a pretty good post, only thing is, how are we to know China is aiming full democratic? What if the market is only getting relaxed to simply fill China's coffers? China is all going through a huge military evolution.

We don't know, China still is capable of becoming very dangerous. And while I'm not going to stick up for any other members (heck I don't even know what they said) I will agree that, the troopers stationed in Asia are there, rightfully so. But besides our poesition on Taiwan, you act as if the US has been throwing monkey wrenches in the "Chinese revolution"

Forgive me if I ask.......what?
September 28th, 2004  
LIPS
 
 
No country has a beef with us down here, as we are all nice easy going beer drinking fellas.
September 28th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Except maybe terrorist, didn't they bomb the embassy in Indonesia?
September 28th, 2004  
LIPS
 
 
Yes they did, but they are not a country they are a group.