Could Japan develop a military presence to rival the best ? - Page 3




 
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December 13th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Is it just me or won't Japan have to change their consitution to become a military power? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that currently all they can have by their own costituion is a self defense force.
December 13th, 2004  
c/Commander
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordFish_13
Well there is a huge Difference between the First and secon on that List ....
There's also a huge difference in GDP between those countries. (Source:http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/rs.html)

USA:$10.9 trillion
China:$6.449 trillion
Russia:$1.282 trillion
France:$1.661 trillion
Japan:$3.582 trillion
Germany:$2.271 trillion
UK:$1.666 trillion

....In other words, Japan just doesn't have the money to spend on such a military...plus they are forbidden to create more than a token force by their constitution, unless they change it.
December 14th, 2004  
MadeInChina
 
the japanese may have lavish desryers, but whos to laugh when they are owned by subs
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December 14th, 2004  
Zyca
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
Is it just me or won't Japan have to change their consitution to become a military power? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that currently all they can have by their own costituion is a self defense force.
I don't know if it's in their constitution, but after losing WWII the world has forced Japan (well, being the clear bad guy who did the invasions) to only prepare themselves with military forces strictly for self-defense. Their military are always called the "self-defense unit", too.

Given the opportunity, the Japanese are completely capable of developing and buying superior weapons to threaten anyone in the world.
December 14th, 2004  
Anya1982
 
 

Topic: help


ok as i understand japan were not originally in ww2 til they hit pearl harbour? or were japan on a different idea of what the original ww2 was, so as i understand it japan was a different part of ww2 than germany/uk?

I can rem. parts of japan stories in history at school and the whole atomic bomb thing, but they were a different agenda to germany.

Ok who have i confused?

would it be more like this..............germany Vs England

America Vs japan.

Bugger if i know this part lol you could ask me anything about ww2 and europe and the whole big war but when it comes to japan i am stuck lol
December 14th, 2004  
SwordFish_13
 
 
Hi,

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There's also a huge difference in GDP between those countries. (Source:http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/rs.html)
Yes the GDP is poor for the Japanese and their Economy is growing at the rate of around grew 0.1 percent in the three months to the end of September..........But true picture is they are Still the worlds Strongest Economy and second only to USA.

GDP alone dosen't paint a true picture ....

Lets look at GDP / sales

Rank Country / Corporation GDP / sales ($mil)
1 United States 8,708,870.00
2 Japan 4,395,083.00
3 Germany 2,081,202.00
4 France 1,410,262.00
5 United Kingdom 1,373,612.00
6 Italy 1,149,958.00
7 China 1,149,814.00
8 Brazil 760,345.00
9 Canada 612,049.00
10 Spain 562,245.00
11 Mexico 474,951.00
12 India 459,765.00

Source

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Comparative economic indicators, 2003
Japan US Germany China
GDP (US$ bn) 4,305.2 10,984.0 2,374.9 1,471.8
GDP per head (US$) 33,842.3 37,831.0 28,856.7 1,136.3
Consumer price inflation (av; %) -0.3 2.3 1.1 1.2
Current-account balance (US$ bn) 136.2 -540.7 39.8 32.2
Exports of goods fob (US$ bn) 448.0 714.5 696.9 436.1
Imports of goods fob (US$ bn) 342.3 1260.4 585.0 397.4
Foreign trade(a) (% of GDP) 18.4 18.0 54.0 56.6

look at the Chart No body is even Closer to Japan and USA in that the next best Economy is Germany whic is half of Japan

Complete Profile of Japanese Economy Click here




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Is it just me or won't Japan have to change their consitution to become a military power?
It's not by choice ............After World War-II sanctions were imposed upon the Axis Countries ........It is part of those sanction that Japan, Italy Can't have a Millitary ....Germany was divided into two, .....well the later two have Broken those sanctions almost.

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would it be more like this..............germany Vs England

America Vs japan.
Not exactly ...........all three of them the Axis countries hadplanned it very well ............Italy was to go into Africa and Japan Run over Asia and Germany takes on Europe and whats left .........Don't know what got into japanese because perl harbour was something done in haste ..........they should have waited until they have conplete control of the Asia........... but thats just me.......the millitary planners in japan mush have had somethign in mind


Peace
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December 14th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I said provided it doesn't go nuclear.
Now imagine China did nuke a Japanese fleet. The whole world would actually unite to beat the Chinese. I think the Chinese in this forum brought up the topic of uniting on several occasions... well this is how it can happen. Chinese nukes the Japanese fleet. The world actually agrees for once that China is not a country that can be allowed to become powerful because it is too trigger happy with its nuclear arsenal.
China is left with no friends.
And... who knows what will happen after that.
If you want to argue, do not bring in the nuke. Because the nuke comes into play in terms of deterrence. If you launch a nuke at the Japanese fleet, that will be the beginning of all your troubles. Also, they might actually shoot down your nuke.
Ship vs Ship, I believe the Japanese would win at this point. Include air assets? Well the Japanese very well could win anyway.


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Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
It is hard to say who will win the navy war.

U gotta to bear in mind when a Navy war breaks out, it is not simply a Ship vs Ship thing, it is with many different factors combined.

A navy ships group may look pretty impressive, but with 1 single tactic nuke the whole battle group is sent to hel.

There is no RULE in war, is there?
December 14th, 2004  
playstation60
 

Topic: Awesome


I love this forum. Half the time I am about to post a thread, someone does it for me. My novel deals heavily with China, Russia, N. Korea and Japan, not to mention the U.S. All this speculation and information is helpful beyond what I can ever express to you.

Now, my thoughts on it, given the extreme amount of technology that Japan has been forced to develope for economic purposes, I think that Japan would not have a hard time coming up with one hell of a military, if it were to choose so. The primary hurdle would be how to fund it. Japan is already a major economic force, as already proven by those before me, it would take some creative financing and plenty of drive, but it could be done. Especially if there was an imminent threat.


Keep it up guys. This stuff is fascinating!
December 14th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
The Japanese could build one of the world's best militaries if it wanted to. It could do it easily. It's got the money, it's got the technology, it's got the people.
December 14th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
In theory it sounds so rosy, in reality it is totally a different story.

Before Japan may have changed its Constituation, 30 years may have passed.

Btw, will USA allow Japan to arm up? You bet.
Of course you can say IF usa allows Japan to arm up, but how many IF's are there in real life?

Mmm, I am anyway not against any fantacy. Keep going.