Controversy Rages as TV Show Lists U.S. War Dead - Page 2




 
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May 2nd, 2004  
Bentley
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironside
You are all wanting to play the ignorant card. It's a well known fact she said that. I am actually quite surprised how many here didn't know that, and now refuse to accept the fact.

Unbelievable!
I'm pretty sure if she has said that on national television that all the left winged media would have been playing it non-stop until everyone had heard about it.
May 2nd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironside
You are all wanting to play the ignorant card. It's a well known fact she said that. I am actually quite surprised how many here didn't know that, and now refuse to accept the fact.

Unbelievable!
I suggest you change the focus of your posts in this thread since you cannot supply a credible source to back your claims. If you cannot do so, this thread will be locked.
May 2nd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 

Topic: ABC airing of KIAs


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It was a good show and it was done to Honor the Fallen Heroes of the war in Iraq. What's so wrong with that?
I'll change the focus and tell you why I felt it was wrong.

It looked too much like a political statement. The purpose, as it seemed to me, was to separate the War in Iraq from the Global War on Terror.
Where were the names from Afghanistan, the Philippines, Pakistan, etc? Essentially, it was to undermine the current administration and its policies, IMO.

The first bit I saw made me angry enough to turn it off, they were portrayed as victims, and not soldiers. Completely disrespectful of the fallen.

If they wanted to honour the soldiers so badly, why didn't they wait until Memorial Day and interview living soldiers as well?
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May 2nd, 2004  
Razor
 
Mod edit: See PM.
May 2nd, 2004  
Redneck
 
 

Topic: Re: ABC airing of KIAs


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Originally Posted by RnderSafe
It looked too much like a political statement. The purpose, as it seemed to me, was to separate the War in Iraq from the Global War on Terror.
Where were the names from Afghanistan, the Philippines, Pakistan, etc? Essentially, it was to undermine the current administration and its policies, IMO.

The first bit I saw made me angry enough to turn it off, they were portrayed as victims, and not soldiers. Completely disrespectful of the fallen.
Exactly my position, Sir. I believe it was Bill O'Reilly (sp?) who was talking about this last night, and mentioned that in Vietnam, Life magazine put out an issue with the names and pictures of the servicemen who had died in one week in the war, portraying them, as you said, as victims, and it created a massive outcry against the war, which I believe is the intended purpose of this program. Once again, using the sacrifice of our men and women overseas to manipulate the public to meet one's own political agenda is disgraceful.
May 2nd, 2004  
Ironside
 
Is Bill O'Rielly considered a reliable source around here?
And Fox News? National Review?

Yes, I did actually even hear Ted Kopple verbally make a political statement when he said he supported the war in Iraq.

I do agree in a sense, that they were portrayed more as vitims than as soldiers. And, I think that's a legit concern. But, please remeber, we started this war on shoddy intel. This was a bait-n-switch from the war on terror. I would imagine many feel they were victims, as well as soldiers.
May 2nd, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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I do agree in a sense, that they were portrayed more as vitims than as soldiers. And, I think that's a legit concern. But, please remeber, we started this war on shoddy intel. This was a bait-n-switch from the war on terror. I would imagine many feel they were victims, as well as soldiers.
The War in Iraq (OIF) is part of the GWOT (Global War on Terror), like it or not. Agree or disagree with the reasons for the war or not. That is a standard. Another standard, is that every soldier there is fighting for a noble cause - and I assure you, it has little to do with politics. If you've served, then you know exactly what I am talking about. I have served in both OEF and OIF I & II, and it is my opinion, after being there, that one is just as much a part of the GWOT as the other. Oh, and btw, neither I, nor my men (despite our casualties) feel we were victims. And yes, I asked.

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Is Bill O'Rielly considered a reliable source around here?
And Fox News? National Review?
IMO, that would greatly depend on the topic. Each have a tendency to report the news, but with a serious slant. I don't care for Bill O'Rielly, personally, and I can't imagine anyone find anything but opinion from him. Fox News, despite any opinions (I like to call it Faux News) is considered a credible news source like ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, various international news agencies. Etc. I'm sure you get the point.

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Yes, I did actually even hear Ted Kopple verbally make a political statement when he said he supported the war in Iraq.
Kind of like when he said he didn't know it was the beginning of Sweeps Weeks? Kopple isn't the worst journalist out there, and he has done and said some fairly decent things - but it won't undermine what seems to be the motivation behind the program.

This is an opinion piece written about Kopple - I don't agree with everything, but found it worth reading nonetheless.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn...t-steyn02.html
May 2nd, 2004  
Jamoni
 
I've put in an email to Good Morning America RE: the Barbara Bush quote. I think it's safe to assume that IF Barbara Bush didn't say these things, AND her crew knows about the websites in question, there would be some sort of lawsuit or move to take the offending sites down. We will see.
May 2nd, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
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Originally Posted by Jamoni
I've put in an email to Good Morning America RE: the Barbara Bush quote.
Nice, I hope you get an answer.
May 2nd, 2004  
Ironside
 
And when you find find out she said such a horrid thing, how wil you spin it into being an ok statement? That'll be interesting to see.