Can USA really win a big war? - Page 4




 
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August 31st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by SAINT
Yes.. somewhat true. But what I consider as defeat is when Japan took all the major coastal cities of China.. like Beijing, Shanghai, Nanking...
Naw, I believe the official Japanese history says they were never anywhere near Nanking. Their re-writing of history would make the Soviet propaganda artists amazed.

As far as Vietnam stopping the spread of Communism in the Far East, there's some truth to that. After Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam went (all part of the the Vietnam War), that was those were the last countries to fall.
August 31st, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
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Naw, I believe the official Japanese history says they were never anywhere near Nanking. Their re-writing of history would make the Soviet propaganda artists amazed.
If you could provide proof of that I really be impressed, I had no idea the Japanese were In the rewriting of bad things business.
August 31st, 2004  
gladius
 
I think the Vietnamese beat China when China tried to invade them back in the late seventies.
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August 31st, 2004  
SAINT
 
What I think is.. the United States has already actually won every big war (though invisible) in the sense that the present world is free from any major war since WW2.
Why? Because any country which wants to start a war with another country has to consider intervention from the United States.
Those countries know that they have to first consider the US..
August 31st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Guy, they wrote out the Rape of Nanking from the history books they use to teach their children. I'll have to go find my proof later though. Hell, I could be thinking of the wrong thing entirely, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering right. China and Korea both have been mighty displeased with Japan for such omissions.
August 31st, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
As should the rest of the civilized world. I belive you though god, you seem to know your history.
August 31st, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
Japan writes out the rapes tortures and gassings but im pretty sure their battles are pretty accurate.
August 31st, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 
Flying Frog,

First you state:
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.....I am only interested in facts, win or lose.
Then you start making excuses:
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.....if the Chinese had the same weapons as the US troops had, it would be a massacre to the Americans.
The facts are the Chinese did not have the same weapons and the number of Chinese warriors killed by Americans was a massacre. Now what kind of real big wars did USA fight since WWII? Well many more than China – and our soldiers are much more seasoned. Let’s not forget that the last major war China fought, they were almost defeated and this was by Japan. It was the Allies that defeated Japan – not China. As for Iran, the Iranian army today is not near as large as the Iraqi army of 1991. At the time of the Gulf War, the Iraqi army was the fourth largest army in the world. Furthermore, the U.S. would easily win a war again Iran and even China and the reasons would be the same today as they were in World War II – logistics and production. I can think of no other country in the world that is better tooled with factories or blessed with the natural resources to feed a war machine than the U.S., and much to our past enemies disbelief, we have proven this more than twice in our young history.
August 31st, 2004  
Mark Conley
 
 
Good points David..but remember

Pride goeth before a fall...

lets make sure we dont stumble over our reputation...lol
August 31st, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
haha, interesting to read all the responses from yesterday

All dudes, don't feel insulted by my Topic. I have no intention to hurt your pride you can believe me
And please read the Topic Post again, it is about the big wars after WW2, so no need to go back to wars before that.

As for China's part in Major Wars after WW2:
I can remember following ones:

1. Korea War, we Chinese kicked ass of Americans. Korea War is the first War which America didn't win, and actually lost to Chinese, because we kicked us troops from Chinese-Korean border half Korea back to 38 line.
If you are more interested in Korea War, check this:
http://centurychina.com/history/krwarfaq.html

2. Chinese-India war in 1962:
Chinese won the border war completely, it was a deep humiliation to Indians especially before the war the Indian dudes thought they could kick Chinese ass easily.

3. Chinese-Vietnam war in 1979:
China as invading force, bombed the hell out of North Vietnam, we did lose many soldiers, but after conquering Vitnam's northern provincies the Chinese troops have opened the whole route to conqure whole Vietnam, because it is from there no more mountain area's. But China did not have any intention to occupy Vietnam, it was just a punishment war, therefore we withdraw after 4 weeks war. We did lose many soliders, but we simply didn't lose the war

That's all China's major wars since WW2.

Of course there was a very tiny border conflict with Russia, but that can not be called a war, therefore no talking about it.

Now back to original topic:
Believe me USA didn't win any major wars after WW2, although USA did fight a lot of small war invading weak small nations.

Can USA really win a big war then?
I really doubt it.
Like Bush said: the Axis of Evils: Iraq, Iran, N.Korea.
Iraq is gone.
Left Iran, N.Korea.

Iran:
Iran is clearly doing big programs with nukes, did you ever hear USA to take on Iran? NO, why not? Iran is not Iraq, Iran is a major country if you want war with Iran you must be very confident of winning the war. Does USA have this confidence? I doubt. No one dares to attack Iran.

N.Korea:
Another "evil", it has been big laugh among Chinese military fans, USA does not dare to touch N.Koreans at all, why? It is again a major power, even with nukes. USA has been talking a lot tough words against N.Korea, yet not dared to touch a single finger on it, why? Dare not. It is not a little weak nation more, therefore you can see the confidence of war winning of USA is disappeared.