Bullpup vs. M4/M16 - Page 3




 
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July 27th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
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You're shooting with the other hand, your aim is already screwed up. There is no other alternative than just copping it, at the end of the day it's better the brass hitting you than the projectile
Only there is no reason for it to happen. I fire the M16 and the M4 from the oppsite shoulder several times and did not get any brass hitting me.
July 27th, 2009  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by Wallabies
Suck it up and take that hot brass right in the face, it doesn't hurt that much and with adrenaline you won't feel a thing.
Fire a British SA 80 from the left shoulder and the cocking handle will take your teeth out.

I was a GMPG gunner, if I didnt roll down the sleeves of my combat jacket, hot fired brass ejected underneath the gun would bounce off the ground and burn my arms. I have at times had the outline of a 7.62 burned into my arms. And yes, it did hurt.
July 27th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
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I was a GMPG gunner, if I didnt roll down the sleeves of my combat jacket, hot fired brass ejected underneath the gun would bounce off the ground and burn my arms. I have at times had the outline of a 7.62 burned into my arms. And yes, it did hurt.
We had gunners have their barrels burn through their barrel bags and burn their backs. Even had plenty of times with spent brass hitting my hat and coming back into my face. Defensive positions are always fun as well, 3 guys in a 2metre long pit going hammer and tongs. Just part of the job.

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Only there is no reason for it to happen. I fire the M16 and the M4 from the oppsite shoulder several times and did not get any brass hitting me.
They are not bullpups and I can't see anyway to push the spent brass forward on the Steyr.
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July 27th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
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We had gunners have their barrels burn through their barrel bags and burn their backs. Even had plenty of times with spent brass hitting my hat and coming back into my face. Defensive positions are always fun as well, 3 guys in a 2metre long pit going hammer and tongs. Just part of the job.
If there is no choice there is no choice. If there is a choice, you take it. no point in adding **** to the pile your sitting in already.



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They are not bullpups and I can't see anyway to push the spent brass forward on the Steyr
That is the point of the thread, discussing the M16 vs Bullpup designs, and one advantage is the fact you can shoot it from either shoulder quite easily and not end up with case shaped burns all over you.
July 27th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
You asked

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Elad, do me a favour and ask him how they fire it from the left shoulder. NOT left hand shooters, right hand shooters when they have to open a corner to the right.
I said there is no other way than to just suck it up.
July 27th, 2009  
EladBell
 
 
why wont i just ask they guy when he gets back at friday?
July 27th, 2009  
5.56X45mm
 
 
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Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
Yes, the majority of Bullpups have a mushy trigger because of the linkage that connects the trigger with the sear. It's usually a rod that is the connection point. But on some cheaper bullpup kits out there it's a metal wire.

My PS90 has a mushy trigger but it's still a good shooting weapon.

As of right now the current platforms that can be used by lefties and normal folks without a problem is the FN P90, FN FN2000, and the Kel-tec RFB. The P90 ejects it's spent cases downward, the FN2000 and the RFB efect the spent cases through a small tube just above the muzzle of the firearm.

The AUG platform can be configured for lefties. But it's not a on the fly kinda thing. You have to remove the bolt and charging handle, replace the efection port cover, etc.....

The three rifles that I know for a fact that are right handed only are the FAMAS, SA-80/L-85, and Norinco QBZ-95. Possibly the SAR-21 from Singapore but I'm not 100% sure.



I'm kinda the same way but I am slowly leaning towards them..... A longer barrel in a smaller platform works for me. Hence why I got the PS90. After my Form 1 is approved it's going to have a 10.3 inch barrel with a overall length of 20 inches. That's a tiny platform plus it has a fifty round capacity. As of right now the PS90 with it's 16 inch barrel and overall length of 26 inches is the same size as a H&K MP-5 with it's stock extended.

The PS90 might be the only bullpup I'll ever own though.... no other one on the market has such a fast magazine exchange. Yea, training can get me to work a AUG just as well.... but I think my load out is now M4 Carbines for when things get nasty and a PS90 for regular conceal carry.
As I said above.... there are some bullpups that are lefty friendly without the need to gut the weapon and switch the internals.
July 27th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
I would imagine so. The ejection port is on the buttstock so I don't think there really is a way around it.
It would be quite OK for some people that I know. The empty casings could go in one ear and out the other.

Nooo!! I am not looking at anyone on this forum
July 28th, 2009  
BritinAfrica
 
 
If a bullpup could be fired either hand, then its short overall length would make sense. The problem of the British SLR L1A1, albeit a brilliant rifle it was too long. I know the Aussies built a shorter version, which we didnt get in UK, neither did we get a para version.

Having said that, given the choice of an L1A1 or a bullpup, I'd take the L1A1 everytime. On the old wooden stock version, if you ran out of ammunition you could always beat someone to death with it.
July 28th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Yeah I don't see the need to "deal with" spent casings getting stuck under my helmet and in my flak jacket when I could easily use a conventional layout weapon and get the same results for the less amount of grief.
As for "suck it up," go and shoot a bullpup that's been configured for a leftie and if you can shoot that thing the whole day and still hit the target with a decent score and not have a migraine as a result, then I won't have anything to say really.
Kind of like being stuck with a right handed person's gas mask. Because the filter comes out the side, it's IMPOSSIBLE to aim with your left hand, so I'd have to shoot with my weaker hand, weaker eye and through a gas mask lens that cuts your vision significantly. Fortunately I was able to find one for left handed folks.
 


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