Best tanks, Allies or Axis? - Page 3




 
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October 12th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
It was there tactical and operational superiority where they really outshone all opposition. Consider the invasion of the Soviet Union. The fact that Germany had 3500 or so tanks to Russia's 20,000+ is, on the surface, a hopeless struggle. Many of those Russian tanks were outdated, but so too were many of the German tanks. Germany, according to the numbers, should have been decimated, yet it was them that wrought havock on the Russian tanks and destroying 15,000 minimum in the first 6 months.

The German armor was coordinated and constantly in direct wireless radio contact with all other tanks in the unit. Orders could be carried out quickly and efficiently. Superior tank designs were consistently outkilled by them throughout WW2.
October 12th, 2004  
Patriot_1989tobeyond
 
The Panzer was good, but so was the American Sherman, and The Matilda.
October 12th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The USA's best - the Sherman, was a decent design considering that the USA had (for the most part) trashcanned the whole idea of tanks in their army prior to '39. But the fact of the matter is, a Sherman had to score a lucky shot on a Tiger I to kill it. Most direct hits simplly bounced off. The Tiger I, on the other hand, came equipped with the highly effective 88mm. Most hits from that were lethal to a Sherman.

In repairability and multitasking, the Sherman was a suberb tank. Some say that that the T-34/80 was vastly superior, but IMHO this advantage was only slight. Stuka pilots preferred going after the T-34/80 as it machine guns were not nearly as problematic as those on the Sherman.
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October 13th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
USA/Germany

My money is on Sherman Firefly against panther,
Pershing against Tiger I
Tiger king..... Air Force...LOL
T-95 against Mouse...
October 13th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam
USA/Germany

My money is on Sherman Firefly against panther,
Pershing against Tiger I
Tiger king..... Air Force...LOL
T-95 against Mouse...
I'd take your bet re the Sherman Firefly v Panther. In fact I'd bet my house and the shirt off my back on it too. And my first born.

Pershing was a better tank than the Tiger 1, but then it should have been given the fact that it was developed later.

King Tiger had so much potential.

The Maus was a joke.
October 13th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
There were lots of designs that were latecomers ... most of which DID NOT affect the outcome of the war. Of those that were very relevant to the War's outcome - so we're only counting tank designs that saw at least 3 years of WW2 service - the Tiger I was unbeatable 1v1. If anyone can think of an exception, please do share.
October 17th, 2004  
The Other Guy
 
 
I can't think of one. the Tiger was a great tank.
October 21st, 2004  
redcoat
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam

My money is on Sherman Firefly against panther,
I'd take your bet re the Sherman Firefly v Panther. In fact I'd bet my house and the shirt off my back on it too. And my first born.

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The Panther was a better tank than the Sherman Firefly, but I wouldn't go so far as betting my first born on it.
Because thanks to its 17 pdr gun, the Firefly could KO a Panther at up to a 1,000 yards.
In a battle between a Firefly and a Panther the winner would tend to be the one who scored a hit first.
In a single tank battle near Caen in Normandy a Firefly KO'd 3 Panthers.
October 21st, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Hmmm, Id go with the Panther agains the firefly, if we are alking about the later modles of the Panther(which is only fair seing the FF is a late model of the Sherman...)

Would take Pershing over Tiger I...Probably equal to KunigTiger.

Id like to mention that if you count the Pershing in, than we really must discuss the Centurion and the T44. This makes it very diffecult for me....On the whole, Id say that, apart fromthe very last stages of the war, the Germans were superior, with their Tigers and Panthers. The Russians came a close second with the T34/88 and Stalin III...Americans were a very far 3rd, with the Sherman...
October 21st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
How many Pershings were actually deployed in World War II? I know that it was during WW2 that the USA realized they needed something better, but I'm not certain how much use the Pershing saw in that war.

As I said, there were a good number of latecomers and the outcome was already obvious by the time they were deployed. I believe that the Tiger II and T44 probably fall into that category, as does the Pershing.