As bad as Bush.




 
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Boots
 
September 8th, 2011  
Del Boy
 

Topic: As bad as Bush.


According to NBC News/Wall St Journal, it is reported, Barack Obama would lose the Presidency if the election were held tomorrow. Overall job approval rating 44%. Geo Washington University finds 72% of voters believe the country is heading in the wrong direction.

His approval rating is as bad as that of Bush in his second term.
September 8th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Yes but to be fair GWB managed to achieve his rating while the nations economy was not in free fall and at a time when 9/11 had united the nation, Obama just inherited a mess and has managed to maintain it through inactivity and procrastination.

I would also suggest that it would depend greatly on who Obama's opposition was as to whether he would win or lose an election.

That being said he has certainly been a giant non-event.
September 8th, 2011  
Sevens
 
 
Regardless of how low his approval rating is, Obama will win in 2012 unless the GOP manages to come up with an amazing candidate in the next fourteen months. Which is highly doubtful.
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September 8th, 2011  
mmarsh
 
 
There is one caveat that is missing: Bush won reelection with a 43% approval rating in 2004.

Polls this early are simply not be trusted as the GOP has not selected a nominee, and in my view precisely who will be the GOP nominee will determine the 2012 election.

If the GOP is smart, they will nominate someone palatable to moderates like myself such as a Romney or Huntsman. Should they be the nominee, Obama will be in very serious trouble.

If however, the nominee is Perry or Bachmann that will scare off the moderates. The more I see Perry the more he reminds me of Bush. And there is no way I'm going back to that, hell no!

Last night Perry reiterated his desire to kill off Social Security. That might have played well to the base, but anyone planning on retiring soon just because a Democrat. Perry simply cannot win the general election with those types of Ideological "mad cowboy disease" extremist views.

We know that type already, that wont work a second time. People don't like Obama, but that doesn't mean we want Bush back. I hope the GOP loses in a landslide if they nominate Perry.

Furthermore. the left isn't yet involved in the election cycle, they wont be until the GOP primaries are decided. Wait until Obama starts to rally the base...

Real Clear politics (which covers all the polls) Obama winning by a hair against Perry

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-2701.html

I think the GOP establishment knows this, and are going to try and undermine Perry. Already Karl Rove called Perry views "Toxic". That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

UPDATE: I was just listening to Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter on the "O'Really? Factor" in while the main topic was Palin they did pump up Romney at several points. They also took a few shots at Perry, so I think my assumption is still correct, the GOP establishment mouthpiece (FOX NEWS) is behind Romney and not Perry.
September 8th, 2011  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
There is one caveat that is missing: Bush won reelection with a 43% approval rating in 2004.

Polls this early are simply not be trusted as the GOP has not selected a nominee, and in my view precisely who will be the GOP nominee will determine the 2012 election.

If the GOP is smart, they will nominate someone palatable to moderates like myself such as a Romney or Huntsman. Should they be the nominee, Obama will be in very serious trouble.

If however, the nominee is Perry or Bachmann that will scare off the moderates. The more I see Perry the more he reminds me of Bush. And there is no way I'm going back to that, hell no!

Last night Perry reiterated his desire to kill off Social Security. That might have played well to the base, but anyone planning on retiring soon just because a Democrat. Perry simply cannot win the general election with those types of Ideological "mad cowboy disease" extremist views.

We know that type already, that wont work a second time. People don't like Obama, but that doesn't mean we want Bush back. I hope the GOP loses in a landslide if they nominate Perry.

Furthermore. the left isn't yet involved in the election cycle, they wont be until the GOP primaries are decided. Wait until Obama starts to rally the base...

Real Clear politics (which covers all the polls) Obama winning by a hair against Perry

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-2701.html

I think the GOP establishment knows this, and are going to try and undermine Perry. Already Karl Rove called Perry views "Toxic". That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

UPDATE: I was just listening to Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter on the "O'Really? Factor" in while the main topic was Palin they did pump up Romney at several points. They also took a few shots at Perry, so I think my assumption is still correct, the GOP establishment mouthpiece (FOX NEWS) is behind Romney and not Perry.
The Poll was Would you vote for a Rep. vs Obama, & the answer was yes. A generic, nonspecific Rep. was the popular choice. "Perry reminds me of Bush". That Perry, McCain, ect is "a continuation of Bush" tends to be a common Liberal fantasy, but you might be right, inadvertantly, about Perry. We voted in Bush in expectation of reduced Govt size & spending, Bush turned out to be a Big Govt moderate that was a real dissapointment. Perry is talking like a good Conservative now, but not long ago he was a Dem who back Gore for Prez. Could be another Moderate pretending to be a Conservative. Yeah, I'm sure the Rep. Party Leadership is a bunch of Big Govt Moderates, like Bush, who'd like to see the TEA Party go away & blissfully join the Dems into spending us into oblivion. SS is a poor paying (1% return) Ponzi scheme bound to collapse unless funded by the general fund.
September 8th, 2011  
Chief Bones
 
 
Sorry, nobody .. and I mean nobody could be as bad as GW Bush.

While there is much to be said against the job performance of the present President, if you are honest with your views .. you have to recognize the fact that the situation that Obama inherited were as a result of the GW Bush presidency.

In today's market, the economy and jobs are front and center AGAIN. I believe the view that government can generate jobs is wrong .. only the civilian sector can do so. That DOESN'T mean that government can not affect the economic environment. Government policies do impact the private sector's ability to invest money and resources in equipment and jobs.

As to who is going to win the race in 2012, the polls that are cropping up all over the place are just guesses .. and like opinions, everybody has got one.
September 9th, 2011  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Bones
Sorry, nobody .. and I mean nobody could be as bad as GW Bush.

While there is much to be said against the job performance of the present President, if you are honest with your views .. you have to recognize the fact that the situation that Obama inherited were as a result of the GW Bush presidency.

In today's market, the economy and jobs are front and center AGAIN. I believe the view that government can generate jobs is wrong .. only the civilian sector can do so. That DOESN'T mean that government can not affect the economic environment. Government policies do impact the private sector's ability to invest money and resources in equipment and jobs.
JIMMY CARTER, how soon we forget, & we now have Jimmy II in Office. Blaming Bush after 3 yrs of ineffective leadership is getting old. We have an inexpierienced community organizer who has doubled the debt with nothing to show for it & Libs still try to say it's all Bush's fault when the economy was tanked by a housing bubble created by Democrats. Why isn't the economy recovering???? The businessmen know the the white House & Senate is controlled by anti-capitalists who shaft them in a heartbeat, & we wonder why they're sitting on the sidelines.
September 9th, 2011  
RayManKiller3
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
JIMMY CARTER, how soon we forget, & we now have Jimmy II in Office. Blaming Bush after 3 yrs of ineffective leadership is getting old. We have an inexpierienced community organizer who has doubled the debt with nothing to show for it & Libs still try to say it's all Bush's fault when the economy was tanked by a housing bubble created by Democrats. Why isn't the economy recovering???? The businessmen know the the white House & Senate is controlled by anti-capitalists who shaft them in a heartbeat, & we wonder why they're sitting on the sidelines.

Just so you know, there is no such thing as a true capitalist. It is just as flawed to have a complete capitalistic government as it would be to have a communist government. Certain things just can not be held by the private sector because a great deal of times, they fear huge risks.

He is stating that when comparing Bush to Obama polls, you must realize that Obama inherited a problem directly from the last presidency. He is not playing blame games, just being more fair.

Big businesses are sitting on the sidelines because they can't get what they want when democrats are in power, that is because they are selfish and uncertain about the future (this is also because of republicans having the our way or the highway method of thinking. It causes gridlocks).

You said blame games are getting old, yet you blamied democrats for this situation in the same post.

If you didn't realize, we aren't recovering fast enough thanks to political gridlock, not because Obama. The USA's credit status decreased only because of political gridlocks, not because of the debt itself.

Lots of people repeat this same thing I am about to say; if the republicans and democrats stop playing politics, we could have had many things done so far.

While the housing bubble was a great part of it, so was decreasing taxes and going into two wars at the same time.

He doubled the debt? lol doubled the debt, dude? We were at 12 trillion before he went to office, we then hit 14 trillion afterwards. I don't see how that is doubling the debt.... We already had a trillion dollar deficit when he came into office according to some statistics. He also put Bush's unfunded wars into the debt effectively making it seem he increased the debt more than he really did.(http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...ighing-the-ir/)

I also think the health care reform is put into the debt as well, something that was necessary. Unfortunately we couldn't get the health care Canada and UK has. A person's health should in no way be decided by some people looking to make a profit.
September 9th, 2011  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayManKiller3
Just so you know, there is no such thing as a true capitalist. It is just as flawed to have a complete capitalistic government as it would be to have a communist government. Certain things just can not be held by the private sector because a great deal of times, they fear huge risks.

He is stating that when comparing Bush to Obama polls, you must realize that Obama inherited a problem directly from the last presidency. He is not playing blame games, just being more fair.

Big businesses are sitting on the sidelines because they can't get what they want when democrats are in power, that is because they are selfish and uncertain about the future.

You said blame games are getting old, yet you blamied democrats for this situation in the same post.

If you didn't realize, we aren't recovering fast enough thanks to political gridlock, not because Obama. The USA's credit status decreased only because of political gridlocks, not because of the debt itself.

Lots of people repeat this same thing I am about to say; if the republicans and democrats stop playing politics, we could have had many things done so far.

While the housing bubble was a great part of it, so was decreasing taxes and going into two wars at the same time.

He doubled the debt? lol doubled the debt dude? we were at 12 trillion before he went to office, we then hit 14 trillion afterwards. I don't see how that is doubling the debt.... We already had a trillion dollar deficit when he came into office according to some statistics. He also put Bush's unfunded wars into the debt effectively making it seem he increased the debt more than he really did.(http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...ighing-the-ir/)

I also think the health care reform is put into the debt as well, something that was necessary. Unfortunately we couldn't get the health care Canada and UK has. A person's health should in no way be decided by some people looking to make a profit.
Not talking Latze Fair capitalism, but modern capitalism. I said blaming Bush 3 yrs into his Term is getting old, if reelected will he still be blaming Bush for his 8 yrs of failure? The housing collapse was caused by Dems making banks lower lending standards, Obama was involved with ACORN who pressured Clinton to enforce the downgrade of standards, plus a bit of overderegulation of banking. McCain tried to fix this in '05, but was blocked by Barney frank & others. Senator Obama voted for the bailouts, TARP & other things that ballooned the debt even higher @ the end of Bush's term. Have you read the book by the guy who Obama wanted to run Health Care? Where he said cost cuts must be made & old folks must realize they aren't worth the expence? If UK & Canada's socialized medicine is so great how come so many come here for serious things? Govt health care rationing! Did you notice the VA health care scandals? That's govt health care! The debt rating...everyones upset someone noticed the Emporor has no clothes on & are in denial.
September 9th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
I said blaming Bush 3 yrs into his Term is getting old, if reelected will he still be blaming Bush for his 8 yrs of failure? The housing collapse was caused by Dems making banks lower lending standards, Obama was involved with ACORN who pressured Clinton to enforce the downgrade of standards, plus a bit of overderegulation of banking. McCain tried to fix this in '05, but was blocked by Barney frank & others.
Not sure why you would say that when Republicans still love to blame Clinton and Carter for Americas ills as you did in the very next sentence.
 


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