With Arafat's Death, will there be peace? - Page 4




 
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November 12th, 2004  
Kane
 
An Israeli Sniper shot an innocent Palestinian Girl playing in the park. A Palestinian bus driver collided purposely injuring and killing Israeli several riders. More Palestinian civilians and Israeli are getting killed in the crossfire.

Both Israeli forces and Palestinians are ruthlessly killing each other.

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Whether you agree with it or not most of the Islamic extremist groups and the PLO fall under that definition.
Yassir Arafat doesn't associate himself to the "Jihad" movement. He only supports for a Palestinian State disregarding religion. So in this case, the PLO is similar to the Black Hand movement.

And if you don't know the Black Hand movement:
During the early 20th Century, the Black Hand carried out assasinations, sabotage, terrorist activities in support of the Pan-Slavism movement hence, they want to form their own nation instead of Austrian control.

Is the PLO a freedom-fighter organization? That's a highly debated question.

But for the Islamic Extremists who supresses religious liberty and so forth, no their not freedom-fighters. PLO, Islamic Extremists, they're two different things. PLO already established their own small government, schools, public facilities, etc and looking forward to statehood. Jihadists and the like only want death and destruction.

Another thing, terrorists praises Arafat just because he has a Muslim Background. Don't mix up political perspectives and religious perspectives.

Now lets get back to the topic.

Once Arafat is gone, more violence will continue because of the various militant factions that are not associated with PLO.
November 12th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Fine I will agree on the point of the PLO being an outwardly secular organization.
However they have still employed terrorist tactics. They fall in the same catagorey as The Basque Seperatists, IRA, Red Army Faction, Sendero Luminoso, MRTA, FARC etc etc.
Saying that they aren't terrorist because they don't get driven by Jihad does not wash.
A terrorist is made by their tactics.
November 12th, 2004  
Kane
 
I don't think PLO still employed Terrorist tactics. Most of the terrorist attacks where done by renegade organizations.

PLO did however had a history of carrying out Terrorist attacks in the past, but for now, it's had been bogged down because of International pressure.
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November 12th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
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I don't think PLO still employed Terrorist tactics. Most of the terrorist attacks where done by renegade organizations
You are wrong. PLO dose take part in suicide bombings and in firing of rockets on Israeli towns. You speak with no reakl knowledge of the situation here, and I suggest you research. PLO is not a fundamentalist organization, but it is a terror organization. he PLO has Fatch, Tanzim, Al Aqsa, and other organizations that are a part of it and partake in terror.

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Calling Arafat a terrorist is dangerous....reconsider the consequences please. The start of all this chaotic middle eastern conflict starts from here. I'm asking everyone to stop this one Pro-Israel side. Everyone suffers from this conflict, including the United States. Got it?
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An Israeli Sniper shot an innocent Palestinian Girl playing in the park. A Palestinian bus driver collided purposely injuring and killing Israeli several riders. More Palestinian civilians and Israeli are getting killed in the crossfire.
What the heck are you talking about? Your posts show a lack of understanding of the conflict, the people involved, and the actions taken.
There is no comarison between the mmoun t of civilians killed on purpose. The Palestinians, including Arafat, kill civilians on purpose. Israel never had such a policy.

This is all off-topic, but your posts aqre so off-target i could not hold my self back.
November 12th, 2004  
Kane
 
hehe...And yet again, another fanatical Pro-Israel response. You really hate Palestinians and a Palestinian state, don't you?

And besides, do you really think the Fatch, Al-Aqsa and the rest really support Arafat? I don't think so. you're forgetting that there is a power struggle within the PLO and I can say that the leaders were happy that Arafat is gone. (First thing, they didn't agreed to Arafat's policies of holding back)
November 12th, 2004  
gladius
 
Secrecy,

I think you are confusing hate and predjeduce for common sense and factual information.
November 12th, 2004  
Kane
 
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I think you are confusing hate and predjeduce for common sense and factual information.
I'm not supporting Palestine or Israel. What I'm supporting for is the halt of Aggressive Israeli Policies in the west bank and the PLO to curb Al Aqsa, Tanzim, and the rest to stop the terrorist attacks. Forget about the Hamas, they've already gone beyond what the PLO can handle.

And since Arafat is gone, PLO's future seems murky and bleak.
November 12th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Arafat should have disarmed Hammas back in 1994, when he had 35000 armed police men, a bettalion of BRDM 2s, and Helicopters. Instead he decided to keep them around as a weapon against Israel. Now its going to turn right back and bite the PLO smack on the a$$. Another piece of Arafats "peace making"
November 12th, 2004  
Kane
 
There are plenty of stupid mistakes Arafat had made and I agree on that.
As I posted before, Arafat have two Faces and an enigma. Arafat's attempts to create peace is debatable. (This will be an excellent new topic if anyone cares to start one)

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Arafat should have disarmed Hammas back in 1994, when he had 35000 armed police men, a bettalion of BRDM 2s, and Helicopters. Instead he decided to keep them around as a weapon against Israel. Now its going to turn right back and bite the PLO smack on the a$$. Another piece of Arafats "peace making"
He was afraid to loose power and support from the Palestinians.
November 12th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by Secrecy
you're forgetting that there is a power struggle within the PLO and I can say that the leaders were happy that Arafat is gone. (First thing, they didn't agreed to Arafat's policies of holding back)
Which is why the only look secular from a distance. While the politcal arm of the PLO might not currently commit terrorist acts. Their minions commit them in their name.

And Arafat condoned it at least.