The American War for Independance




 
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November 13th, 2004  
Darcia
 

Topic: The American War for Independance


Was the WFI realy the war that gave America's Freedom, or was it the war of 1812.


I Honestly the war of 1812 gave us our true Independance because it showed the world that we could continue and we could defeat the British, sure we got our Independance in the WFI I beleive we truly got it when we beat the British on our own and we showed the world we could survive.
November 13th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The American Revolutionary War obtained independence. Britain didn't try to reassert rule and they did not leave forces occupying. The fledgling USA was not answerable to the crown, nor did the King try to tell them what to do.

We were still heavily dependant on trade from the nations of Europe -- Great Britain being the foremost among them. We hadn't yet developed the industrial and technological systems to go it completely alone.

The War of 1812 was many things. Not a victory, but the United States demonstrated that it would stick up for itself when threatened. We showed to Europe that they weren't just a joke that would cease to exist eventually. So in that war, we won some respect.
November 14th, 2004  
Darcia
 
WE most likly could't have won the WFI if it wasn't for the French showing up and helping us cornor them. However we weren't under direct rule alot of people didn't respect us back then, the War of 1812 but a new sense of respect...
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November 14th, 2004  
redcoat
 
 

Topic: Re: The American War for Independance


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameon
Was the WFI realy the war that gave America's Freedom, or was it the war of 1812.
Seeing that in the War of 1812, the USA didn't gain anything from the British. I feel it safe to state that whatever freedom you are referring to, was gained in the AWI.
November 14th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Actualy alot of People say the Americans got Thier President they had re-elected because of it, also we got Washington destroyed and rebuilt better than before in the overall end.
November 16th, 2004  
Mark Conley
 
 
well..get the tomatoes ready folks...

we didn't get our real independence..until we got a government established that allowed us to interact with other nations on an equal basis...

While we were a young nation of roughly 13 states...our collective bargaining agency, a government established under the articles of confederation...really had no power to get collective power from those 13 states. However..when we established a new government..under the constitution that was actually binding..with power to enforce and establish national goals and ideas...was when we as a country could look at another nation like britain..or canada..with an established national will..a navy a army...and all the things that go with it.

So while we severed our ties with england in the declaration of independence..it was the establishment of our government under the constitution that gave us the mean to continue our independence..and our nation.

ok..have lit my cigarette aim those tomatoes well les infants...
November 16th, 2004  
Airborne
 
Hmmm, I wonder who the American Soldiers on the Frontier back in 1803 would say if they heard someone claim the Britian controlled them! I'm sure after they would riflebutt the questioner in the face, they would give thier opinion of wether or not the British crown were still thier soverign. I mean, this conversation just outright cancels out almost two generations of Americans. It's like the differance between Europe in 1943 and then 1972... a whole lot of living happened, it may seem like to us two centureies later 1812 and 1783 are practically a day or two apart, but they are so not. Plenty of time for independant living, independant thinking.
November 16th, 2004  
Patrick
 
The American Revolution granted the colonist their independence. However, it was the War of 1812 that further establised the United States as an independent nation. I'm sure that if England had the support of its people, the funding and the manpower (and no Napoleon), there would have been several more instances of Britain attempting to place the colonies back under their control. It wasn't really until the American Civil War...some 50yrs later that a decent relationship was established between England and the United States...and it was with only a portion of the US...the South. Close ties with southern leaders sparked the long standing relationship between the these two countries that still stands today.
Patrick
November 16th, 2004  
BigBert96
 
RedCoat, you said we gained nothing from war of 1812. I must correct you. THE MAIN REASON we fought was because the English constantly were impressing our sailors on the high seas. After the war was ended, the impressment ceased. We won what we sought, freedom from english piracy on the high seas. So how did we gain nothing?
November 16th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBert96
RedCoat, you said we gained nothing from war of 1812. I must correct you. THE MAIN REASON we fought was because the English constantly were impressing our sailors on the high seas. After the war was ended, the impressment ceased. We won what we sought, freedom from english piracy on the high seas. So how did we gain nothing?

We did gain that. But if you look deeper the British did not see the impressment of US seamen as impressment of forgieners. They saw it as impressment of subjects to the Crown,
The U.S. still considered by the Crown to be colonies in rebellion for the most part. What we gained was recognition as a sovergion nation.