The American War for Independance - Page 4




 
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November 19th, 2004  
Sea_Cadet
 
uh dude being a historian myself we lost, the war of 1812, and at the time of the treaty of Ghent the Brits were bringing in their troops from Europe, after making an agreement with the Prussians, who would fight Napoleon.
If the Treaty had not been made there would be no United States of America.
November 20th, 2004  
redcoat
 
 
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Originally Posted by Airborne
The US didn't lose the war of 1812,
Of course not, you just came second .
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the invasion of Canada... quite justified since we were suffering attacks by the pro-british indians supported logistically by English forts in American Territory (I can't be more clear about that)
The Indians weren't pro-British they were pro-Indian. Remember it was the US that was invading their lands not the other way around.
Also there were NO British(not English) forts on US territory. thats just an American folk-lore myth.
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Originally Posted by Time
If the Treaty had not been made there would be no United States of America.
The re-conquest of the United States was never an objective of the British.
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Originally Posted by aussiejohn
[I agree with Doody. The 1812 War finally showed Britain that the US had the testicles!!!!!
Have to agree with this.
Any nation which declares war on somebody, gains nothing and has their capitol burned to the ground, yet still claims it as a glorious victory. Must have balls of steel

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November 20th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
I multiple invasions into Canada did not go that well. Only the one in 1814 had any real success against the british. Here is something I wrote for a different topic

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Originally Posted by Doody
The Revolutionary War may have been the war that gave birth to the United States, but the War of 1812 proved we were here to stay. Militarily, the Revolutionary War was horrible. Washington spent most of this time running from the British. His only major victory came at Yorktown with the aid of French fleet and the French Army. After the war ended, the military was reduced to a meager size.
The War of 1812 did not start well for the Americans. Although the Americans won a few single ship engagements, the entire east coast was blockaded. The first invasion into Canada failed in 1812. We invaded and burned York, but the British did the same to Washington DC. Captain Perry won a decisive battle on Lake Erie by rowing to another ship in the middle of battle, saving the day. The invasion of Canada in July 1814 proved that American regulars could stand muzzle to muzzle with British regulars. The American Regulars were dressed in cadet uniforms since the US government had no other uniforms available. The British first thought these soldiers were militia. They quickly changed their minds after seeing the soldiers perform under fire. The British were routed at Chippewa, but they were able to hold the Americans at Lundy Lane. The official outcome is a draw. This engagement may seem small, but it proved that Americans could hold their ground on even terms. The American military was here to stay.
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November 20th, 2004  
Airborne
 
What? Dude.... The English were still occupying American soil.... this is well established and accepted fact, we keep records have have historic sites and all that wonderful stuff. There is absolutely no doubt what so ever about this; I have no clue what thier teaching in the commonwealth, but this I know; my part of the country used to be the frontier.

And at worst the war of 1812 was a drawl, if not an American victory, burning of the capital meant nothing.... same thing happened in Russia with napoleon.... it's a port city which was in it's most infant of stages, and the invading army promtly got it's butt handed to it after it left the city.... doesn't sound like a victorious Roman army to me. In fact, the Brits was worried about Canada ceeding from the Empire like the U.S. did until the idea of granting it democratic Autonomy came up.
November 20th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Um, to clarify something ... the invasions into Canada were mostly half-assed on the part of the USA's soldiers, ie "Why the hell are we doing this again?" One important thing that the USA learned from that war -- you have to go into war unified and with some very definite goals, it its extremely helpful if those goals are know by and have at least SOME appeal to the soldiers fighting for you.

On the fights on our own soil -- essentially a very poorly organized US military always managed to successfully repel the Brits and saw some great success in many cases.

On the American Indian issues -- regardless of whether the US and its citizens were right or wrong in their treatment of the Indians (our behavior was shameful, but that's another topic), the British were seen as helping people hostile to the United States and its citizens.

The United States gained nothing but respect. That may not seem like much, but consider that most people in Europe saw as little more than a ridiculous joke -- something that would fall appart in time, so forth. We DID have our Independence already, but not much respect.

Its a draw in my book -- mostly because we did not have to face the full power of the British military. So its sort of a draw by pure dumb luck really.
November 20th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
lets keep on topic.

There is already a poll on who won the War of 1812.

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Was the WFI realy the war that gave America's Freedom, or was it the war of 1812.
November 20th, 2004  
redcoat
 
 
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Originally Posted by Airborne
What? Dude.... The English were still occupying American soil.... this is well established and accepted fact, we keep records have have historic sites and all that wonderful stuff. There is absolutely no doubt what so ever about this;
OK then, can I have the names of these forts. I'm willing to learn.

ps, Your enemy in the War of 1812 wasn't England.
It was the United Kingdom of Great Britain, often shortened to the UK or Britain
November 21st, 2004  
Airborne
 
Dude, it's England. Enemy was England, nobody would get confused say if we sais England.... if we say Britian, then some dumb privateer would start attacking Breton.... so let's just say England. As to getting the sources, my unit is doing some re-arranging in the barracks, and I'll be offline for a while, but next time you see me PM me... I'm still waiting for most of my books to come in. I got a couple of books from a few colonia reinactment forts that has practically every little known skirmish fought between the Indians and the Colonist and well as Early America.
November 21st, 2004  
redcoat
 
 
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Originally Posted by Airborne
Dude, it's England. Enemy was England, nobody would get confused say if we sais England.... if we say Britian, then some dumb privateer would start attacking Breton.... so let's just say England.
Lets not
for the simple reason that it would be wrong to do so.
It would be like me referring to the US as the Twelve Colonies in any war the US fought after the AWI.
November 21st, 2004  
Darcia
 
England,Britian, and the United Kingdom are one in the same.


Also it was 13 not twelve.