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October 25th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
American soldiers volunteers...
technically yes. But there are those who are in the "ready reserve" who didn't really fulfill their entire time and were placed on the "ready reserve" status.
Which means they live like civilians etc. but they can be called up. Now these guys have been called up and they're acting like they're being drafted. So techncially yes, all volunteers but actually some really don't want to be there.
October 25th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Yes, CIA Factbook is also one of my sources.

I think the_13th_redneck is right about the Volunteer issue.
October 25th, 2004  
ravensword227
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
American soldiers volunteers...
technically yes. But there are those who are in the "ready reserve" who didn't really fulfill their entire time and were placed on the "ready reserve" status.
Which means they live like civilians etc. but they can be called up. Now these guys have been called up and they're acting like they're being drafted. So techncially yes, all volunteers but actually some really don't want to be there.
This is true. The organized militia is and should be considered civilians; only tasked with defending America from foreign invaders and tyranny (not PC to say, but its true). What the government is doing was started back in the Regan administration - known as “Total force deployment” and it was expanded upon in the Clinton administration.
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October 26th, 2004  
gladius
 
I think its safe to say that the US Army today has the most large-scale-operational-combat experienced officer and NCO core in the world. And that's probably a good thing. Not to mention seasoned veteran special ops personel.
October 26th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
American soldiers volunteers...
technically yes. But there are those who are in the "ready reserve" who didn't really fulfill their entire time and were placed on the "ready reserve" status.
Which means they live like civilians etc. but they can be called up. Now these guys have been called up and they're acting like they're being drafted. So techncially yes, all volunteers but actually some really don't want to be there.

They all volunteered to be there, whatever their motives were. Reserves and Natty Guard volunteered just as much as Active Duty component troops. Just because some of them decided they did not want to fulfill their obligations does not make them any less of volunteers.

And ravensword227, what exactly are you referring to as "organized militias?"
October 26th, 2004  
soldierzhonor
 
 
Yes, all American troops, marines, sailors, and airmen are volunteers. These volunteers are also the ones accepted into service not all voluntters are accepted due to certain backgrounds that disqualify them.

When you talk about Individual Ready Reserves, most of these are troops who have served a certain prior obligation from their enlistment like a 6 year on and 2 year inactive status. During those 2 years they can be recalled to active duty at anytime. Army Resevists and National Guard troops are comprised of a large percent of prior service personel who have went from full time soldier to "twice the citizen" and are now not only fulfilling a full time job or more but also continually training in case of a deployment to anywhere in the world.
October 26th, 2004  
ravensword227
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redneck
And ravensword227, what exactly are you referring to as "organized militias?"

Section 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia
; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...tle=10&sec=311
October 26th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I know but in this case you're trading on the definition and not the spirit of it.


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"They all volunteered to be there, whatever their motives were. Reserves and Natty Guard volunteered just as much as Active Duty component troops. Just because some of them decided they did not want to fulfill their obligations does not make them any less of volunteers.

And ravensword227, what exactly are you referring to as "organized militias?"
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October 26th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
I know but in this case you're trading on the definition and not the spirit of it.

No, I am trading on the fact of the matter. Just because somebody decides that after accepting the benefits the National Guard and Reserves offer (education, pay, etc.) that when their nation requires them to do their job it just isn't any fun anymore does NOT make them any less of a volunteer. Nobody forced or coerced them to sign that paper, and they were well aware of what dangers and hardships might be entailed by their doing so.
October 26th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
But you get what I mean.
Volunteer in the fullest length of the spirit is a guy willing to go to Iraq without protest.