The after-effects of the Middle East protests

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Considering America's involvement in the charades the leaders in the Middle East/Northern Africa, what do you think the after-effects will be after the protests are over and the Americanized leaders are removed? What do you think the attitude towards America and Americans would be?
 
I really dont know... The situation is changing so fast and the Western powers dont stop changing their "official" positions...

I see a lot of speak about Israel... But I dont care much about a small country like Israel, as a democracy, Israel should embrace the protests and the overthrowing of these stupid regimes...

I dont know if it's a genuine riot against corruption or if there is a huge manipulation behind... I really dont know...

But these cultures have a very low tolerance to social injustice and the system had to fail someday... The rich are becoming richer while the poor are becoming poorer, the economic/politic/social situation went beyond the tolerance level and it's blowing up...

I think that we have to urgently pressure the economic/politic systems in these countries to rise wages and drop in the prices... These young populations want to live and to enjoy life... They are sick and tired of being exploited, of being humiliated... They want respect and we have to support them in this quest with everything we have.

A lot of scum bags are scared and pissed because they are going to lose money in the process, but we are in a time where caring for wealth proved that it got no meaning, no future and no moral values...

Something big is happening there I believe... But the system wont collapse easily... It will be very messy...
 
The situation remains fluid, and there are no broad certainties. I would add that there is little question but that the United States and other Western countries are trying to influence the direction of the uprisings. But what the United States needs to remember, as it applauds the rise of democracy, is that the new elected government may not be what one expected.

Those who argue that these risings have nothing to do with radical Islam may be correct in the sense that the demonstrators in the streets may well be students enamored with democracy. But they miss the point that the students, by themselves, can’t win. They can only win if the regime wants them to, as in Egypt, or if other classes and at least some of the police or military — people armed with guns who know how to use them — join them. Therefore, looking at the students on TV tells you little. Watching the soldiers tells you much more.

The problem with revolutions is that the people who start them rarely finish them. The idealist democrats around Alexander Kerensky in Russia were not the ones who finished the revolution. The thuggish Bolsheviks did. In these Muslim countries, the focus on the young demonstrators misses the point just as it did in Tiananmen Square. It wasn’t the demonstrators that mattered, but the soldiers. If they carried out orders, there would be no revolution. So as you watch the region, remember not to watch the demonstrators. Watch the men with the guns. If they stand their ground for the state, the demonstrators have failed. If some come over, there is some chance of victory. And if victory comes, and democracy is declared, do not assume that what follows will in any way please the West — democracy and pro-Western political culture do not mean the same thing.

The Muslim world will not experience massive regime change. But it will plant seeds that will germinate in the coming decades. I think those seeds will be democratic, but not necessarily liberal. In other words, the democracies that eventually arise will produce regimes that will take their bearings from their own culture, which means Islam.

The United States celebrates democracy. It should be careful what it hopes for: It might get it.

 
I dont know if it's a genuine riot against corruption or if there is a huge manipulation behind... I really dont know...

These revolutions are not a vast conspiracy by radical Islamists to take control of the region. A conspiracy that vast is easily detected, and the security forces of the individual countries would have destroyed the conspiracies quickly.
 
"Americanized"? Seems most of the problems are in secular socialist govt.s formerly alliegned with the Soviets.
 
When I speak about manipulation, I mean every group with a world political agenda... Islamists and other Muslims groups, extremists are not the only players...
 
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